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Re: A Graphic Novel'ization of Jack Parsons' Biography

From:

Damien <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Society for The Academic Study of Magic <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 16 May 2010 18:25:42 -0700

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Sorry about the redundant info, everyone. But it figures that if I was going to accidentally parrot anyone, here, it would probably have been Kevin.

But as long as we're on the subject, Moore's doing another project, as well, one far less well-defined: http://www.needcoffee.com/2010/05/09/alan-moore-albarn-hewlett-patton/

Best,

--Damien
Wolven
On shaded wings drift
FireDark discoveries
Soul Architecture.


--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Kevin Lovelace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Kevin Lovelace <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] A Graphic Novel'ization of Jack Parsons'  Biography
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 6:26 PM
> Grant Morrison is a dedicated Chaos
> Magician and active magical
> practitioner.  See, for example Pop Magic!
> (http://www.scribd.com/doc/24506/Pop-Magic-by-Grant-Morrison)
> or any
> of his interviews on the topic of magic, sigilization, or
> narrative.
> (A you tube search brings up dozens of such interviews.)
> 
> Warren Ellis, however, while very literate in several
> fields of occult
> studies is not actually a practitioner.  His interests
> lie in the
> purely theoretical side of occult study.  The fact
> that he is very
> well researched in the field and that he is friends with
> Moore and
> Morrison, often leads to the notion that he's a
> practitioner, himself.
> 
> And speaking of Moore, it appears that his opera about the
> life of
> John Dee is a continuing project.
> (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/26/that-alan-mooredamon-albarnjamie-hewlettgorillazjohn-dee-operetta-on-again/)
> 
> There's a degree of crossover between various folks in the
> comics
> field and various magical communities.  Off the top of
> my head, other
> than the "big two" of Moore and Morrison, you've also got
> Chris
> Claremont, who (along with Peter "Necronomicon by Simon"
> Levenda) was
> a member of  the scene that grew up around New York's
> "The Magical
> Childe" bookstore in the late 70's and was also a member of
> the O.T.O.
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:58 PM, LAITY, KATHRYN <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > I have not heard of Ellis and Morrison actually
> practising magic. Moore is
> > indeed more western trad than chaos (in fact has a
> certain dislike of most
> > chaos magicians). The Bumper Book of Magic is a
> collaboration between Moore
> > and Stephen Moore (no relation).
> >
> > There are a lot of problems with the “graphic
> novel” terminology (doubtless
> > beyond the scope of this group’s interest).
>  Superheroes are just one genre
> > of comics. Although both comics and magic are
> marginalised, I don’t know
> > that there’s much cross-over at all of serious
> interest in magic. Moore’s
> > work isn’t much at all like Doctor Strange etc.
> >
> > Of possible interest to some: there is a conference on
> the work of Moore the
> > end of the month at the University of Northampton.
> I’ll be there talking
> > about ritual. Moore will be there as well.
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/10 3:58 AM, "David Robertson" <[log in to unmask]>
> corresponded:
> >
> > Moore is arguably the most committed magician, but his
> interest lies in the
> > Golden Dawn tradition, rather than Chaos. He is
> currently collaborating with
> > a large variety of artists to produce a modern
> grimoire. His "Promethea"
> > uses the Wonder Woman archetype to explore the GD
> system of Kabbalah - and
> > it works better than you probably imagine. The use of
> both image and text is
> > able to transmit the information in a way that is more
> readable and concise
> > than words alone. "A Disease of Language" contains a
> long interview where he
> > expounds his theory of magic, which is essentially the
> use of the creative
> > imagination.
> >
> > I would be wary, however, of differentiating between
> "modern graphic novels"
> > and "traditional superhero comics" - the difference is
> largely one of
> > legitimisation. The term "graphic novel" was coined to
> sell collections of
> > comics to people who assumed that "comics" were
> nothing but simplistic
> > superhero stories. Specifically, Neil Gaiman's
> "Sandman" series (not
> > directly concerned with magic, but with a magical mood
> concerning worlds of
> > imagination and stories becoming real) appealed to
> young women, and DC
> > comics discovered that "graphic novels" would sell to
> different markets than
> > the trade comic book market. But the material is the
> same - all of the works
> > mentioned were monthly comics first, and collected
> later.
> >
> > But Austin's idea of comics as an "alterna-culture
> marker" is interesting.
> > Perhaps another way of describing it is to say that
> comics and magic are
> > both culturally liminal, and therefore there is a
> large crossover between
> > the two fields.
> >
> > David
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From:  austin <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 11:25  PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] A  Graphic
> Novel'ization of Jack
> > Parsons' Biography
> >
> >
> > On the contrary, I rather think this will do  pretty
> well for being such a
> > niche publication. There is incredible overlap
>  between comics and the
> > occult since the late 1980's; some of the biggest
> names  in comics like Alan
> > Moore, Warren Ellis and Grant Morrison are practicing
>  magicians (primarily
> > super-modern Chaos stuff). Indeed, Morrison's series
> "The  Invisibles" is
> > purportedly an elaborate hypersigil. In my own
> experience  comics readers
> > are much more likely to be open to non-traditional
> realities  than readers
> > of other kinds of fiction including fantasy; I'd
> theorize  (admittedly
> > without much research) that modern graphic novels (as
> opposed to
> >  traditional superhero comics) have become more of an
> alterna-culture
> > marker,  which in turn attracts people with
> nontraditional mindsets.
> >
> >
> > ~Austin Mullen
> >
> > Undergraduate, University of Iowa
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Virginia Woolf in 10 seconds:
> >     Life  is beautiful and tragic. Let's put
> flowers in a vase.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:32 PM, David Metcalfe <[log in to unmask]>
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > An interesting experiment in historical occult fiction
> -   The Marvel: A
> > Biography of Jack Parsons (
> > http://www.webcomicsnation.com/rscarbonneau/parsons/series.php
>  ),  is now
> > in print.
> >
> > Some more info on it: http://www.zedura.com/?p=150
> >
> > Looks like the author,  Richard Carbonneau, has
> violated all the rules here,
> > comics industry hates  web comics, fiction fans
> aren't too into the occult
> > and occultists aren't  necessarily drawn to comics.
> He's done a good job of
> > researching the subject  though, and it looks like an
> interesting addition
> > to scholarship on Parsons,  despite it's graphic
> novel format.
> >
> >
> > - David  M.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > K. A. Laity
> > Associate Professor of English
> > Coordinator, Women’s and Gender Studies Program
> > The College of Saint Rose
> > 432 Western Avenue
> > Albany NY 12203
> > [log in to unmask]
> > http://academic2.strose.edu/Arts_and_Humanities/laityk
> >
> >
> 


      

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