Amen to that. This discussion is becoming reminiscent of the one earlier this year about the definition of event and whether we should bother to stick to it. There does seem to be a bit of creeping expediency over logic and consistency going on. This could lead to the sort of mess that we were in and needed to develop the EMA model to sort out...
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Sent: 08 April 2010 09:28
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Subject: Re: Friday Afternoon Question
I'd like to clarify why I think 'designed landscape' and 'interment' are not suitable as evidence terms.
1. I think most pre-modern cemteries are not designed but vernacular but more fundamentally
2. you are trying to use what should be monument type terms as evidence because, I assume, you want to say the evidence for this monument is its physical presence in the world today. But monument terms are interpretations of the evidence (that's what the whole monument/event/source model is about) so you have to say what the type of evidence is not just say that a designed landscape is evidence for a designed landscape. An example would be a record of a church with graveyard and lychgate. The evidence for the church would not be 'church' but 'extant building' and the evidence for the lychgate would be 'extant structure' (or 'extant building' if it has a roof), so the evidence term for the cemetery should be 'extant landscape unit'. On the other hand a Romano-British site may have a villa evidenced by a sub-surface deposit and a villa estate which some might argue is a designed landscape, but the evidence for this would be cropmarks, earthworks, geophysics results, which would be used to create an interpretation as a designed landscape.
So please don't confuse interpretation (designed landscape or vernacular landscape or interment/inhumation/burial) with evidence (extant landscape unit or sub surface deposit)(I wish I could think of something more elegant than 'landscape unit')
yours
Noel
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Neil Guiden
Sent: 07 April 2010 16:34
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Subject: Re: Friday Afternoon Question
Before i go, i just want to say these terms (and names) are pretty far from 'set in stone' so these suggestions and points are all totally valid and that i am taking your viewpoints seriously. These terms are for everyone so im keen to get a lot of feedback and opinions before we actually create more thesaurus terms.
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Neil
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