Oh I can remember Piete  getting into trouble for leaving an X.25  
connection open between
Cambridge and UCL for 9 months, particularly when he confessed it was  
a tunnel for IP
packets.

Ian

On 29 Apr 2010, at 14:08, Andrew Herbert wrote:

> Peter
>
> Interesting to learn that TCP/IP was "not on the agenda" because of  
> SRC politics.  I wasn't aware of that.  And a nice illustration of  
> how an interventionist funding agency can place its bets badly: an  
> important story to tell in the contemporary funding climate where  
> words like "focus" and "impact" have great currency.
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter KIRSTEIN [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:42 AM
> To: Andrew Herbert
> Cc: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: When was the first cosner's meeting
>
> In message  
> < 
> 9987406AF5AB6347BA66C5E5E20441492CDE766F 
> @DB3EX14MBXC306.europe.corp.microsoft.com>you write:
>> This is consistent with my recollections.  I started ANSA in 1985  
>> and remem=
>> ber sending you to Cosenor's in my place a) to introduce you to the  
>> UK netw=
>> orking community and b) to test your mettle in dealing with Doug.
>>
>> I'm also pretty certain COsenor's grew out of Universe, which  
>> preceded Unis=
>> on.
>>
> Andrew,
>
> You are right on all points except the statements on TCP/IP. Paal  
> Spilling
> and Peter Higginson started an implementation of TCP/IP in 1975 in  
> my group. We were
> requested by the SRC to stop the work in 1977 - which I refused to  
> do! I said
> of course they were welcome not to support my doing it on my SRC  
> projects, but
> not to request that I stop the work! There is a plaque in the CS  
> building of
> Stanford U commemorating the three impementations at BBN, Stanford  
> and UCL that
> were completed by 1976 when Vint Cerf left for DARPA.
>
> Peter
>> There were earlier meetings involving Cambridge, RAL, UCL,  
>> Edinburgh, Kent =
>> and others to deal with Cambridge Rings, which would have started  
>> in 1978 a=
>> nd it may be some of these were at Cosenor's as RAL was very much  
>> the coord=
>> inator for SERC (precursor of EPSRC) use of Cambridge Rings.  I  
>> certainly r=
>> emember a meeting at UCL in 1978 to discuss whether Rings should  
>> run X.25 o=
>> r the Cambridge BBP, SSP and BSP protocols (the meeting chose the  
>> latter mu=
>> ch to my delight and Peter Kirstein's chagrin, but it created  
>> opportunities=
>> for student projects doing gateways).  Interestingly TCP/IP wasn't  
>> on the =
>> horizon (ARPANET was still NCP at that time I think, the Ethernet  
>> was doing=
>> its own XNS protocols and DECnet was going OSI.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Next Generation Networking [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On  
>> Behalf Of J=
>> oe Sventek
>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:58 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: When was the first cosner's meeting
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Thanks for correcting my faulty recollection.  Upon further digging  
>> into th=
>> e "fuzzy" archives that constitute my memory, I think it was summer  
>> 1987 wh=
>> en I attended the meeting, not 1986.  My lasting memory of the  
>> meeting was =
>> a whiskey-drinking competition with Doug Shepherd after the evening  
>> meal; a=
>> ny of you who knew Doug will know that it was no contest, and I had  
>> to admi=
>> t defeat early.
>>
>> Mac's original assertion is probably correct, the meeting I  
>> attended was pr=
>> obably the annual Unison review meeting.  With Chris digging into  
>> the offic=
>> ial archives, I am sure we will have an accurate binding of project  
>> name to=
>> meeting dates soon.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter KIRSTEIN [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: 29 April 2010 08:50
>> To: Joe Sventek
>> Cc: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: When was the first cosner's meeting
>>
>> In message  
>> <[log in to unmask]
>>> you write:
>>> Yes, I remember attending a Universe meeting at Coseners in the  
>>> summer of =
>> 1=3D
>>> 986.
>>>
>>> Joe Sventek
>>
>> Joe,
>> I am afraid that your memory is not quite right. I have looked
>> up the UCL grant record:
>> Universe was 1980-4/65
>> Admiral  was 1984-88
>>
>> We certainly had UNIVERSE meetings in Coseners already - which I  
>> certainly =
>> attended.
>> I did not normally come to the ADMIRAL ones.
>>
>> Peter
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Next Generation Networking [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On  
>>> Behalf Of =
>> D=3D
>>> erek McAuley
>>> Sent: 28 April 2010 19:21
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: When was the first cosner's meeting
>>>
>>> Previous to that was Universe - think it was 83.
>>>
>>> On 28 Apr 2010, at 16:13, David Parish wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Coseners meetings originated as the annual project review  
>>>> meetings f=
>> o=3D
>>> r the Alvey funded UNISON project around the mid 1980's. When this  
>>> project=
>> =3D
>>> finished everyone thought that it would be a good idea to have an  
>>> annual n=
>> e=3D
>>> tworks meeting in the Coseners House. I think this would have been  
>>> the lat=
>> e=3D
>>> 1980's. It became known as NGN much later than this, I think  
>>> around the e=
>> a=3D
>>> rly 2000's, but I may be wrong here.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Next Generation Networking [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On  
>>>> Behalf O=
>> f=3D
>>> Jon Crowcroft
>>>> Sent: 28 April 2010 16:06
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: When was the first cosner's meeting
>>>>
>>>> In missive  
>>>> <[log in to unmask]
>> o=3D
>>> m>, Ad
>>>> am Greenhalgh typed:
>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone remember when the first cosner's NGN meeting was ?
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> there isn't 1 answer - there's the NGNs since Ian has been running,
>>>> but there were the MSN meetings before which as far as I know went
>>>> back to the early/mid 1980s and evolved out of the Universe project
>>>> (Cambridge, UCL,, Loughborough, Logica and others)
>>>> and related work....
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>>  jon
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