Sorry, Keith. It's Clinical Psychology Forum.
Penny,
>
> What's CPF??
>
> Keith Venables
>
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> Sent: 20 April 2010 08:23
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> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] literature on IAPT?
>
> Well Craig, I'm sure the perspective of clin psychs on this list is very
> varied and I have various perspectives on it myself. The Midlands
> Psychology Group stated some perspectives in the special issue of CPF -
> 181 and another article in 182.
>
> So some of these ideas/perspectives are that IAPT is a ridiculously
> unscientific experiment, doomed to fail, but will no doubt be spun as a
> success by some and IAPT is an awfully ridiculous joke.
>
> I would not agree with the perspective that it degrades therapy, but
> rather exposes the massive limitations of therapy.
>
> With regards distracting from social issues, I would say that all
> psychological work has the potential to do this, so IAPT is not
> necessarily any different, but just ploughs that juggernaut on further.
>
> From what I have seen and what I think would be sensibly predicted too,
> IAPT has IDPT - it has increased demand for psychological therapies
> because it's sold the idea that psychological therapies are a good idea
> even further into public awareness.
>
> I don't really understand your point about non-psychologists lacking
> knowledge on social issues.
>
> And as for faith and things psychological, I would put them in a similar
> arena. These both in my view are best understood as embodied experiences
> and therefore being more real/'existing', so to me your point about having
> faith in something invalidates itself.
>
> Penny
>
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what the perspective from the clin psychs on the list is
> here
>> - IAPT is bad because it degrades therapy we could do better (and it
>> might
>> cost our jobs), IAPT is bad because - as a therapy initiative - it is
>> obviously irrelevant, IAPT distracts people from social issues (after
>> all,
>> what would non-psychologists know about social issues?). I have no faith
>> in IAPT but I have no faith in anything "psychological" as it can't
>> exist.
>> I'd be interested to hear why psychologists on the list think it is any
>> different from the explosion in Community Psychiatry, SSRIs, Depression
>> Awareness or World Mental Health Day - all of which serve Psy and Big
>> Pharma.
>> C
>>
>> --- On Mon, 19/4/10, Gaskell Alistair (Cambridgeshire and Peterborough
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>> Foundation Trust) <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>
>> From: Gaskell Alistair (Cambridgeshire and Peterborough NHS Foundation
>> Trust) <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] literature on IAPT?
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Monday, 19 April, 2010, 14:07
>>
>>
>> its worth looking at what is available from the official evaluation so
>> far
>> -I think that some of the comments quoted from service users are very
>> powerful eg:
>>
>> "I was trying to talk about important things but I
>> couldn’t. felt very unsafe. It is such a big step
>> ..asking for help and now I have failed"
>> and
>> "I was drowning and someone was throwing me a ring
>> that landed about 10 miles away, it just didn’t feel real
>> enough to be helpful"
>>
>> These come from this presentation - but there may be a fuller version
>> available
>> http://www.newsavoypartnership.org/2009presentations/02_Parry_et_al_IAPT_evaluation_day_one_plenary.pdf
>> _
>>
>> Alistair Gaskell
>>
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>> Sent: 17 April 2010 14:21
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>> Subject: literature on IAPT?
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm looking for as many commentaries on/critiques of IAPT as I can find.
>> Can anyone recommend anything?
>>
>> many thanks
>> J.
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