You've gotten some helpful replies already. I have found the following
reference to be helpful in understanding some of the physics behind
damage incurred during the crystal cooling process and a general
strategy to help avoid it. It expands upon what's already been said -
that larger crystals are more prone to distress during cooling. This
and other papers from the same group contain useful information and advice.
A General Method for Hyperquenching Protein Crystals
Matthew Warkentin and Robert E. Thorne
Struct Funct Genomics. 2007 December ; 8(4): 141–144.
doi:10.1007/s10969-007-9029-0.
Best,
-Andy
On 4/15/2010 4:48 AM, Mark J. van Raaij wrote:
> and don't forget to check diffraction without freezing.
> Mark
>
> On 15 April 2010 10:37, Anastassis Perrakis <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> My two cents:
>
> First, you say:
>
>>> I assume the bigger crystal might have lot of solvent which
>>> prevent for high resolution. If it is true what could be the
>>> best way to dehydrate crystal without affecting crystal quality?
>>
>
> I think this assumption is confusing. If the crystals were grown in
> the same drop/condition, they have identical percentage solvent
> content. Thus, you do not want to look at dehydration, the
> 'percentage solvent content' is fine. What you want to look at is
> the mechanics of vitrification. Big crystals, are simply hard to
> freeze: because of their volume they cannot be vitrified as rapidly
> and uniformly as smaller crystals. I will not be surprised if there
> are papers that quantify that, but what I am saying here is only
> from experience and adding a 'logical' explanation to that experience.
>
> Thus, I would simply stay with the smaller crystals (I have a
> feeling that you 'small' crystals are 'big' for many other people)
> and be happy they diffract to 2.5 A (is that SR or RA?)
>
> A.
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:16, syed ibrahim wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Jurgen and Ho Leung
>>
>> To add few more point regarding my question:
>>
>> 1. Crystal was first frozen in LN2 and then transfered to cryo
>> stream (in presence of LN2 in vial)
>> 2. Anealing did not help (both short time and long time) -
>> perhaps the crystal dies.
>> 3. Spots are clear to available resolution (is: 6-7A). In the
>> high resolution region there is no spot but looks like smear in
>> the whole area.
>> 4. The crystal was approximately 1.0mm length and 0.4mm dia. I
>> mounted on 0.5mm loop. So the liquid around the crystal was very
>> less. I deliberately avoided more solvent in the loop to help
>> diffraction.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Syed
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 4/15/10, Jürgen Bosch /<[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jürgen Bosch <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Cryo Vs crystal size
>> To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 3:46 AM
>>
>> There are a couple of additional factors not taken into
>> account here.
>>
>> 1. LN2 versus frozen in strem or propane etc
>> 2. did you try to flash anneal the larger crystal
>> 3. smeary diffraction from the big crystal or not ?
>> 4. how much residual solvent was around your crystal when
>> freezing ?
>>
>> In general smaller crystals are anyhow better in my hands.
>>
>> Jürgen
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 5:36 PM, syed ibrahim wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I had two crystals grown in same well, one is small and other
>>> is 10 times bigger. I treated both crystal in same cryo and
>>> same time. The smaller one diffracted to 2.5A and the bigger
>>> one to 6-7A. I was expecting the bigger one to diffract high
>>> resolution.
>>>
>>> I assume the bigger crystal might have lot of solvent which
>>> prevent for high resolution. If it is true what could be the
>>> best way to dehydrate crystal without affecting crystal quality?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Syed
>>>
>>> PS: Taken care of less solvent to be present in the loop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -
>> Jürgen Bosch
>> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
>> Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology
>> Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute
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>>
>>
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