Hi Jonathan,
In my experience (limited) the recognition in the tablet PCs is pretty good (and my writing is awful - I'd guess at about 90% recognition rate, I expect there is data on this somewhere) and is far, far better than that in PDAs... I imagine this might end up being a solution if the physical issues of carrying it/charging it etc are manageable?
Cheers
Simon
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From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jonathan WHITE
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Handwritten paper-based notes into electronic text
Many thanks to everyone for taking the time to reply to my email.
We would like the handwritten paper-based notes (taken during the lesson) to be translated into electronic text to allow the student to take them home at the end of the lesson or the next day. The student has a hearing impairment, so unfortunately the Pulse LiveScribe would not be suitable. Others have suggested a PDA, an ACECAD Digimemo and an E-Pen, but I used a 'Zpen' (similar concept?) - http://www.scanningpens.co.uk/catalogue/12/ - at an exhibition recently and wasn't too impressed. I was told it preferred joined handwriting to printed handwriting, but it failed to recognise some of the words from the 3 sentences that I'd written. I can imagine the Learner Mentors at my College would soon get frustrated if this occurred on a regular basis.
I've read that possible other alternatives to manually retyping handwritten notes are the handwriting recognition feature built into 'Microsoft Windows 7' (which would require a Tablet PC) or conversion of voice into text via voice recognition software such as 'Dragon NaturallySpeaking 10 Preferred Mobile'.
Thanks again
Jonathan
From: Satchell, Phillip [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 20 April 2010 13:51
Subject: Re: Handwritten paper-based notes into electronic text
Interesting comments Tim,
Whilst I agree that the special paper required by the LiveScribe is a disadvantage, its functionality, in capturing handwritten notes and diagrams, is similar to the E-Pen (ex Digiscribble) product. I'm not sure what you comment "no camera im afraid" relates to - the LiveScribe has an IR camera in the tip that tracks the dot pattern on the paper. The audio recording function may not be something that everyone needs but as an aid to expanding notes post-lecture, is a winning feature for some students.
To return to Jonathan's original question, if he wants to capture and convert existing handwritten notes MyScript isn't going to be suitable. It only works with the dynamic data relating to how the strokes of the letters were made. Static (offline) recognition requires something different.
Phil
From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Symons
Sent: 20 April 2010 11:24
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Subject: Re: Handwritten paper-based notes into electronic text
Or the E-Pen, here: http://www.inclusive.co.uk/catalogue/acatalog/e_pen_mobile_notes.html
Much more effective than the livescribe, which has issues with written notes not tallying with the digitally recorded (no camera im afraid) lecture due to handwriting speed vs lecture speed.
E-Pen also doesn't require special paper, and can work on any sheet of A4. Its consists of a pen and a portable reciever, which can be clipped to a sheet of paper, and the user fills a sheet with notes using the pen which are stored in the reciever, and then the user replaces the sheet with a fresh one and continues notetaking. Maximum 100 sheets I believe, which are then uploaded to the users PC at the end of the day, etc.
MyScript Notes is an excellent application, requiring little training (I have awful handwriting and it worked without any training) and which converts the uploaded, rough, written notes straight into text to be transferred to txt or word.
Tim Symons
Trainer/Assessor
Access Summit <http://www.access-summit.org.uk/>
0161 275 0990
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From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Satchell, Phillip
Sent: 20 April 2010 10:52
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Subject: Re: Handwritten paper-based notes into electronic text
I think Liz may be thinking of the Pulse LiveScribe pen which combines a digital recorder with the ability to capture handwriting (using a camera in the pen tip and special paper.) It can use an (optional?) application called MyScript to convert the captured images to text but primarily it's the binding of the audio to the handwritten notes that's its selling point.
I'm not clear whether Jonathan wants to convert existing handwritten documents or capture new handwriting 'live'. For the latter the MS apps in Windows work reasonable well .
Phil
Phil Satchell
Assessment Centre Manager, Lancaster University.
From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Liz Panton
Sent: 17 April 2010 13:44
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Subject: Re: Handwritten paper-based notes into electronic text
Hi Jonathan,
You can get pens that also record your writing digitally at the same time. I used to attend meetings with someone who used one but I can't remember what it was called. She used it because her hand-writing was atrocious :-)
I did a quick Google for "pen that stores text" and got this:
http://www.google.com/search?q=pen%20that%20stores%20text
Best wishes,
Liz
On 16 April 2010 15:51, Matthew Harrison <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
The things that spring to mind are:
The ACECAD Digimemo. I have one of these but it won't recognise my scrawl and so I cannot format it. As a result I just convert my notes to pdf and if people can't read them it's tough! For the price though it does a decent job.
Also worth a look is Text Bridge software. I haven't seen it for a while, but I used to use it to scan paper documents and edit them. Not sure if this is still out there, and how good it is nowadays, but it may be a starting point.
Hope that helps.
Matt
Matt Harrison
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Portland College
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Nottinghamshire
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From: A discussion list for Assistive Technology professionals. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jonathan WHITE
Sent: 16 April 2010 15:45
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Subject: Handwritten paper-based notes into electronic text
Can anyone please recommend a method to quickly translate handwritten paper-based notes into electronic text? Many thanks. Jonathan
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