These armchairs skeptics can also be called neoCONs, where CON means
Coal, Oil and Nuclear. Neocons? No, thanks. I prefer a
renewable-energy society. Regards. Pedro.

2010/3/11, Kate Prendergast <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>
> Do armchair sceptics wish they were running the country - and if so, what
> would they do?
>
>
> Chinese leadership appears to concede that it is aware of the dilemmas it
> faces. See
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/11/2842415.htm?section=justin
>
> This has to translate into action, but the remarkable way both China and the
> US behaved at Copenhagen means they are still trading: national, elite,
> industrial interests against a future where China has a dead river as its
> artery and may not be able to feed itself.
>
> Choices choices....
>
> Kate
>
>
> ========================================
> Message Received: Mar 11 2010, 10:21 AM
> From: "Chris"
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Cc:
> Subject: (no subject)
>
>
> On a related note, which I only discuss because I think it will be of
> interest to crisis-forumers, I am currently finishing off some
> interviews with some of the most prominent climate scientists about the
> value-laden nature of the 2 degree limit. This is an important issue I
> believe because this target defines the policy debate. What I am
> encountering is scientists telling me that it is a value judgement, that
> the numbers are meaningless, and perhaps the whole language of targets
> is meaningless. Then I am seeing their articles in scientific journals
> claiming two degrees as science. This is importangt because a) I don't
> believe the language of limits has any relevance or use in the cc debate
> and b) claiming the target as scientific fact masks the idea as a value
> judgement, a value judgement made by a tiny few in the name of the many.
>
> I conclude, in terms of where now for climate science, that science has
> told us all it can usefully tell us about cc and we need to move on to
> the real issues, the political, cultural and ethical dimensions of the
> debate.
>
> Chris
>
> Alastair McIntosh wrote:
>> Good comment by the BBC's Richard Black here on the forthcoming IPCC
>> review:
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/03/climate_review_seeks_detatchme.html#comments
>>
>>
>> Alastair.


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