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But on that site clicking on the flags at the top will yield translations in the languages they signify. Opening into a new tab is almost as good as interlineation, no?
Best,
John Dillon
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From: "Cormack, Margaret Jean" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: [M-R] greek text
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Thanks, almost there . . . though the version I remember had an
> interlinear translation!
> Meg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Feller
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:01 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [M-R] greek text
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> Hi Meg,
>
> This may not be the one that you are looking for, but it does give you
> the morphology and a brief translation when you mouse over. The text
> is based on Westcott-Hort 1881, with UBS4/NA27 readings noted, and it
> uses the U Penn CCAT morphological analysis:
> http://whnac.biblos.com/matthew/1.htm
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil Feller
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Cormack, Margaret Jean
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> >
> > Dear Bob,
> > Help! The last time I taught a course on christianity, I remember
> > finding a terrific website
> > hosted as I recall at U Penn where the gospels were written in greek,
> > with translation, and in
> > addition as one ran the mouse over each word one would get a complete
> > grammatical analysis of it.
> > Now I can't find the site! Can you send me a link?
> > Meg
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
> > culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert
> > Kraft
> > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:36 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [M-R] Resurrection Bodies/Cross
> >
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> > culture
> >
> > A rather complex question that might need more focus. Without doing
> any
> > specific "homework" on it, the following topics occur to me:
> > Early Christian use of the IXQUS (fish, ichthus) symbol for
> > identification;
> > Early Christian use of the sign of the cross ("seal"), probably on the
> > forehead;
> > Written amulets, perhaps following on Jewish use of phylacteries or
> > tefillin;
> > Gems and the like (incidentally, I'd be pleased to know where
> Clement --
> >
> > not to my knowledge "bishop" of Alexandria -- mentioned such things);
> > Graffiti and wall images of crosses and other characteristic items;
> > Independent portable items such as icons, pendants, etc.
> >
> > I'm sure that many (but not all) of these are attested by the 3nd
> > century, and a few even earlier. Whether the burial of "sacred" books
> > with a deceased person also counts (e.g. "Gospel of Judas," "Gospel
> of
> > Peter" -- and many others) is discussable. Some byzantine coins from
> the
> >
> > 10th century onward (perhaps earlier) also bore images of Jesus. And
> > isn't the "Veronica" shroud-type image mentioned already in the 4th
> > century? Plenty to keep one busy here!
> >
> > Bob Kraft, UPenn
> >
> > Dr Jim Bugslag wrote:
> >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> > culture
> >>
> >> Meg,
> >> Although I have no historical data to base this on, my feeling is that
> >
> >> they did indeed. It's more a question of human nature, really. Why
> >> give up something that works for something else, if you don't see any
> >> fundamental problem with using both? This is the sort of question
> >> that, I'm sure, maddened theologians, and reassured the masses of
> >> Christians through most of the "middle ages".
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> Cormack, Margaret Jean wrote:
> >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> >>> culture
> >>>
> >>> Your rephrasing is much better! Though it brings up another
> >>> question, namely whether early Christians who used crosses as amulets
> >
> >>> also had other kinds of amulets. . . Meg
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
> >
> >>> culture on behalf of Dr Jim Bugslag
> >>> Sent: Sun 10.1.2010 20:57
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: [M-R] Resurrection Bodies/Cross
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> >>> culture
> >>>
> >>> I suspect that this question should be rephrased: do we know when
> >>> Christians began to assimilate the practice of using amulets? In
> the
> >>> late 2nd century, Clement, the Bishop of Alexandria, recommends
> > devices
> >>> that Christians should carve on their rings, including doves, ships
> > and
> >>> anchors - that's pretty amuletic. Crosses scratched in cemeteries
> > also
> >>> begin to appear in the 2nd century, I believe. On a later phase of
> > this
> >>> usage, see Henry Maguire, The Icons of their Bodies: Saints and their
> >>> Images in Byzantium (1996).
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> Marjorie Greene wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> >>>> culture
> >>>> "Do we know when amulets (crosses or otherwise) are first used?"
> >>>>
> >>>> An interesting question and one I cannot answer. It would be
> >>>> interesting to find the earliest example of a cleric wearing a
> >>>> pectoral cross. I suspect, but have no evidence, that they started
> > the
> >>>> practice, which then trickled down to the laity.
> >>>> I hope you get an authoritative response.
> >>>> MG
> >>>>
> >>>> Marjorie Greene
> >>>> http://medrelart.shutterfly.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On *Mon, 1/11/10, Cormack, Margaret Jean /<[log in to unmask]>/*
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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