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Thanks, almost there . . . though the version I remember had an interlinear translation!
Meg
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Hi Meg,
This may not be the one that you are looking for, but it does give you
the morphology and a brief translation when you mouse over. The text
is based on Westcott-Hort 1881, with UBS4/NA27 readings noted, and it
uses the U Penn CCAT morphological analysis:
http://whnac.biblos.com/matthew/1.htm
Cheers,
Phil Feller
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Cormack, Margaret Jean
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> Dear Bob,
> Help! The last time I taught a course on christianity, I remember
> finding a terrific website
> hosted as I recall at U Penn where the gospels were written in greek,
> with translation, and in
> addition as one ran the mouse over each word one would get a complete
> grammatical analysis of it.
> Now I can't find the site! Can you send me a link?
> Meg
>
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> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
> culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert
> Kraft
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [M-R] Resurrection Bodies/Cross
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture
>
> A rather complex question that might need more focus. Without doing any
> specific "homework" on it, the following topics occur to me:
> Early Christian use of the IXQUS (fish, ichthus) symbol for
> identification;
> Early Christian use of the sign of the cross ("seal"), probably on the
> forehead;
> Written amulets, perhaps following on Jewish use of phylacteries or
> tefillin;
> Gems and the like (incidentally, I'd be pleased to know where Clement --
>
> not to my knowledge "bishop" of Alexandria -- mentioned such things);
> Graffiti and wall images of crosses and other characteristic items;
> Independent portable items such as icons, pendants, etc.
>
> I'm sure that many (but not all) of these are attested by the 3nd
> century, and a few even earlier. Whether the burial of "sacred" books
> with a deceased person also counts (e.g. "Gospel of Judas," "Gospel of
> Peter" -- and many others) is discussable. Some byzantine coins from the
>
> 10th century onward (perhaps earlier) also bore images of Jesus. And
> isn't the "Veronica" shroud-type image mentioned already in the 4th
> century? Plenty to keep one busy here!
>
> Bob Kraft, UPenn
>
> Dr Jim Bugslag wrote:
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>>
>> Meg,
>> Although I have no historical data to base this on, my feeling is that
>
>> they did indeed. It's more a question of human nature, really. Why
>> give up something that works for something else, if you don't see any
>> fundamental problem with using both? This is the sort of question
>> that, I'm sure, maddened theologians, and reassured the masses of
>> Christians through most of the "middle ages".
>> Cheers,
>> Jim
>>
>> Cormack, Margaret Jean wrote:
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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>>> Your rephrasing is much better! Though it brings up another
>>> question, namely whether early Christians who used crosses as amulets
>
>>> also had other kinds of amulets. . . Meg
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious
>
>>> culture on behalf of Dr Jim Bugslag
>>> Sent: Sun 10.1.2010 20:57
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] Resurrection Bodies/Cross
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>> culture
>>>
>>> I suspect that this question should be rephrased: do we know when
>>> Christians began to assimilate the practice of using amulets? In the
>>> late 2nd century, Clement, the Bishop of Alexandria, recommends
> devices
>>> that Christians should carve on their rings, including doves, ships
> and
>>> anchors - that's pretty amuletic. Crosses scratched in cemeteries
> also
>>> begin to appear in the 2nd century, I believe. On a later phase of
> this
>>> usage, see Henry Maguire, The Icons of their Bodies: Saints and their
>>> Images in Byzantium (1996).
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Marjorie Greene wrote:
>>>
>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>> culture
>>>> "Do we know when amulets (crosses or otherwise) are first used?"
>>>>
>>>> An interesting question and one I cannot answer. It would be
>>>> interesting to find the earliest example of a cleric wearing a
>>>> pectoral cross. I suspect, but have no evidence, that they started
> the
>>>> practice, which then trickled down to the laity.
>>>> I hope you get an authoritative response.
>>>> MG
>>>>
>>>> Marjorie Greene
>>>> http://medrelart.shutterfly.com/
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Mon, 1/11/10, Cormack, Margaret Jean /<[log in to unmask]>/*
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
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