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Cecilia,
You might already know about these articles, but given the nature of
your interest, you might be interested in:
James A. Brundage, ‘”Cruce signari”: The Rite for Taking the Cross in
England,’ /Traditio/, 22 (1966), 289-310
and also his ‘A Note on the Attestation of Crusaders’ Vows,’ /Catholic
Historical Review/, 52 (1966-67), 234-39
Lucy K. Pick, “Signaculum caritatis et fortitudinis: Blessing the
Crusader’s Cross in France,” /Revue bénédictine/, vol. 105, no. 3-4
(1995), 381-416
Cheers,
Jim
Cecilia Gaposchkin wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture Thanks all: quickly here because I am about to be late for a
> 1230. I was just trying to understand the texts for the Pilgrimage
> Rite/Crusading Rites in England (published by Brundage) and their
> relationship to whatever other traditions they might be related to.
> Much of the other material is 12 and 13th century. It is *precisely*
> because I am trying to figure out what the manuscript sources and
> transmissions for these are they I am muddled.
>
> More anon. Thanks very much to all. This is my first plunge into
> English materials, and there is lots of it.
> cecilia
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM, John Briggs
> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> ---- Cecilia Gaposchkin <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you both. I think I am puzzled by how late all the
> editions are - 15
> > century materials mostly. The text is Henderson is taken from a
> printed
> > edition of 1506, but he mentions a 15th century manuscript. I
> was hoping to
> > get some earlier evidence, 12th or 13century; but perhaps it
> doesn't exist.
> > I have Frere in my office, but will dig up Dickinson anon.
>
> You still haven't given us a clue as to what you are looking for.
> Essentially, it is all "late". One of the useful things Pfaff has
> to say (although I haven't got that far in his book yet!) is that
> the idea of a "uniform" rite (Tridentine Rite, Book of Common
> Prayer) is an artefact of printing. Such uniformity is just not
> possible with manuscripts, and the effect of the early printed
> editions is to make e.g. the Sarum Rite appear more uniform than
> it can ever have been in practice. That is one reason why we all
> concentrate on the final form of such Uses (i.e. circa 1500).
>
> Another reason is that although the Sarum Use was the most
> 'successful' in England, it makes a slow start. The diocese wasn't
> really created until the 11th century, and the Sarum Use must only
> have developed in the 12th. There are no really early materials,
> and they relate only to Salisbury Cathedral itself. I don't think
> there is anything for parish church use surviving from earlier
> than the 14th century. (I assime that you are interested in parish
> 'occasional' services - that is really the only reason to be
> looking in a Manual.)
>
> For early manuscript versions of the Missal you should be looking at:
>
> J. Wickham Legg, The Sarum Missal: Edited from three early
> manuscripts (Oxford, 1916, Reprinted 1969.)
>
> John Briggs
>
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