If he took lines from several poems and several poets, isn't that called a cento?
best, manda
--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jeffrey Side <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Jeffrey Side <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: motion's borrowing
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> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:24 PM
> Now that I've seen the exact quotes
> Motion uses, I, too, think he is out
> of order. He could have at least changed them a bit. But
> then, he is an
> empiricist poet, and all they can do is record things, like
> a camera--or in
> this case, like a photocopier.
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> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:43:50 -0000, Sally Evans
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> >I think he 's way out of order. There's an interesting
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> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Douglas Barbour" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: motion's borrowing
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> >Have to say that Motion certainly did admit all, &
> say what he was
> >about. So, the only question is, How good is the
> result?
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> >It's 'found,' all right, but as a collage, as some kind
> of modernist
> >'take', in which the 'cinematic' cutting actually does
> something
> >extra, beyond what the original quotes did in
> Shephard's book? To me
> >it doesn't seem like Motion added much...
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> >Doug
> >On 9-Nov-09, at 12:14 AM, Max Richards wrote:
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> >> An Equal Voice
> >> In this 'found poem' for Remembrance Day, Andrew
> Motion stitches
> together
> >> the
> >> words of several generations of shellshocked
> soldiers from the first
> >> world war
> >> to the present
> >>
> >> Andrew Motion
> >> guardian.co.uk, Saturday 7 November 2009
> >>
> >> Doctors, historians and other experts have
> documented the effects
> of
> >> shellshock
> >> – thanks to them, we know that the term covers a
> multitude of
> ailments,
> >> and is
> >> the result of far more than just shells going off.
> But, as Ben
> Shephard
> >> wrote in
> >> his history of medical psychiatry, the people who
> have suffered
> from it
> >> have
> >> often been too ill to speak. They have been left
> out of the record. I
> >> wanted to
> >> hear from them. This is a "found" poem, a
> stitching together of the
> >> voices of
> >> shellshocked people. Their words have been taken
> from a variety of
> >> sources, from
> >> the first world war to the present, and are
> presented in the poem in
> >> roughly
> >> chronological order. There's a fragment of
> Siegfried Sassoon in
> there,
> >> but most
> >> are from unknown soldiers. Together, they give a
> sense of moving
> through
> >> time to
> >> establish what is horribly recurrent about this
> affliction. It is a
> poem
> >> by
> >> them, orchestrated by me.
> >
> >Douglas Barbour
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