My guess is that the honorifics are there on purpose. They are making a
statement. They may be removed now that critical attention has been
brought to them. But it's the lack of anonymity of the peer-review board
that concerns me. Robert should have decided what was more
important: the honorifics or the sanctity of the peer-review process.
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:14:30 -0400, Mark Weiss
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>Black Mountain was hardly a formally organized
>institution, particularly in its last few years,
>when Olson was called in to oversee its demise.
>There were at that point about a hundred
>students. But it's the Black Mountain College we
>remember as poets. Even in its rum days it
>neither sought nor received accreditation.
>
>I'm acutely aware of the impact of the
>academicization of poetry in the US. It's been an
>unmitigated disaster. But that wasn't caused by
>the existence of academic journals. Let's se what they turn out.
>
>The inclusion of titles in the board list is a
>bit comic opera, but let's blame it on a
>beginner's mis-step. We should wish the
>enterprise well, and maybe in that spirit let the
>editor know that he should drop the honorifics.
>
>Mark
>
>At 10:58 AM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
>>One of the big dangers is definitely the codification of practice, and
>>I am with Jeff on this. This has happened to some extent with 'avant
>>garde' poetry in the States and it has certainly happened to art here
>>in the art colleges - they do not set good examples. Once the
products
>>of creativity get into that loop it is very difficult for them to
>>disentangle. We all want good teachers and good teaching but all too
>>often good teachers and good teaching get lost in the systems and
>>bureaucracies with their other demands and agendas. The need to
get a
>>'qualification' or certain letters after your name has in the past not
>>been the same as the need to create originally. You need freedom
and
>>focus. At times this has been given by creative people living and
>>working together - the typical artistic group or milieu or movement.
>>And sometimes of course in glorious isolation from any such thing.
>>Cases of such things coming from formally organised higher ed
>>institutions are rare - Black Mountain would be one of those rarities.
>>I'm not being romantic about this, I think I am being realistic.
>>
>>Individuals, such as Robert Sheppard or whoever, are able to fight
>>against codification, but systems and organisations cannot. Or at
>>least, they cannot within the context of modern capitalist society.
>>
>>Tim A.
>>
>>On 22 Oct 2009, at 15:01, Jeffrey Side wrote:
>>
>>>Sean, I'm not against academic journals if they are about the study
of
>>>poetry rather than concentrating on how it should be written etc.
>>>And I
>>>get the feeling that this journal may lead to this, having read some
>>>of
>>>Robert‚s theories on practice. Only time will tell, however.
>>
>>Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of
>>Cuban Poetry (University of California Press).
>>Forthcoming in November 2009.
>>http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>>
>>
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