Watch out for jabber chatrooms. Last I looked, they were centrally
logged. They may not be publicy readable/searchable, but I'm wary of
their being a log of any private security data anywhere not under our
control.
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Martin Bly
RAL Tier1 Fabric Manager
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Douglas McNab
> Sent: 28 August 2009 11:04
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Chat room for UK site admins?
>
> Hi
>
> I have made it publicly searchable and realised that I had
> actually set it password protected.
> This has been removed. Also Adium appears not be able to
> reconfigure a room once its created.
> So I have now gone for Psi. The room is now open to with Sam
> and Derek in there already.
> One using Jabber and one using googlemail.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dug
>
>
> 2009/8/28 Douglas McNab <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
> Hey,
>
> I was just messing with jabber chatrooms and it seems
> fairly easy to create a chat room with a jabber account.
> In fact there should be one called
> [log in to unmask] now. There is no password,
> its persistent and it is not publicly searchable. You can
> set other preferences from the menu and all you need is a
> jabber account, google talk accounts seems to get a 401
> message. After some digging it looks like the sometimes work
> but I suspect the API changes frequently. I am using Adium
> (for jabber and google talk) but any jabber client i.e.
> Pidgin should work and you should be able to flick between
> google talk/jabber from the client. Feel free to join and
> see if its of any use?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dug
>
>
>
>
> 2009/8/27 Derek Ross <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
> As part of the discussion about Security - in
> particular not having a private list to discuss security
> issues with UK Site admins (TB-Support is public) it was
> suggested to set up a chat room, after Jeremy left a few of
> us hung around and discussed this in the evo chat window,
> I've pasted the relevant part of the log below to get
> opinions from others on the TB-Support list.
>
> Derek
>
>
> [12:14:05] Winnie Lacesso - I would prefer EVO
> meetings myself not IRC chat...
> [12:14:12] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think it might be
> useful, but IIRC when it's come up before various sites
> firewall IRC pretty badly.
> [12:14:33] Stephen Burke - irc used to be
> banned at RAL, not sure about the current status
> [12:14:35] Sam Skipsey - And, indeed, other
> chat systems - jabber, Skype chat, etc.
> [12:14:51] Ewan Mac Mahon - The external
> logging concern goes for EVO as well.
> [12:15:22] Rob Fay - it's not that hard to run
> an irc server, and 24/7 live chat can be useful... if people use it
> [12:15:47] Dug McNab - it needs to be something
> the tier1 can use, so whatever is allowed there would be the way to go
> [12:16:22] Peter Love - sign up for google-wave
> [12:16:54] Rob Fay - google wave might be a
> solution, but not yet
> [12:17:45] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think if we;re
> setting up something ourselves I'd go for jabber rather than IRC,
> [12:18:55] Derek Ross - problems is that may
> only fix the problem for one site - would other sites be
> happy about using a service hosted at another univeristy to
> discuss internal security issues?
> [12:19:19] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think EVO is
> supposed to be able to do jabber-y things like presence
> notification etc. but I've never tried to use it like that.
> [12:19:36] Rob Fay - Derek, if they're not,
> nothing will work
> [12:19:47] Duncan Rand - well maybe a 'not for
> security issues' to start with
> [12:19:56] Sam Skipsey - Why use EVO, though,
> since Jabber already solves those problems?
> [12:20:15] Christopher Walker - I'm not
> familiar with jabber. How does it differ
> [12:20:23] Christopher Walker - from IRC
> [12:20:27] Rob Fay - argument for evo: everyone
> already uses it, argument against evo: jabber can be run by
> us with the advantages that entails
> [12:20:38] Rob Fay - whereas evo can't AFAIK
> [12:20:41] Derek Ross - evo is quite resource intensive
> [12:20:46] Ewan Mac Mahon- Well, we do sort-of
> all use EVO already as well, and it does have the possibility
> of turning a chat into an audo conversation.
> [12:21:09] Sam Skipsey - EVO is used by use
> because people keep scheduling meetings on it, not because it
> necessarily solves the problem we want to solve.
> [12:21:14] Rob Fay - audio is overrated, at
> least with text you can't hear the other people in graeme's
> office typing
> [12:21:19] Ewan Mac Mahon - Plus, AIUI it's
> trickier to get jabber to do chat rooms, it's more one-to-one.
> [12:21:43] Ewan Mac Mahon - I know it /can/ do
> multi-user, I'm just not sure how to do it.
> [12:21:45] Derek Ross - can be done its not
> that hard - the Tier 1 has one
> [12:21:51] Sam Skipsey - Jabber does do chat
> rooms, it's not too hard.
> [12:21:54] Derek Ross - we use conference.jabber.org
> [12:22:02] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think it needs
> setting up on the server though, doesn't it.
> [12:22:08] Sam Skipsey - Yes.
> [12:22:13] Derek Ross - Pidgin (a jaber client)
> seems well set up to use them
> [12:22:16] Christopher Walker - What we want -
> or to be more precise, what I want is a way of saying - hmm
> I've got this problem anyone have the same problem, or have anyideas.
> [12:22:22] Ewan Mac Mahon - You can't just
> /join #newchannel like you can on IRC.
> [12:22:33] Rob Fay -
> http://www.jabber.org/index.php/faq/#chatrooms
> [12:22:43] Sam Skipsey - However, IRC is
> horribly insecure, Ewan.
> [12:23:00] Derek Ross - true its hard to split
> off for small sub discussions with jabber unles they are 1-1
> [12:23:38] Ewan Mac Mahon - Sam: It's
> unencrypted, but (unless you're using something like OTR) so
> is jabber. How's IRC any worse?
> [12:23:39] Sam Skipsey - And, according to
> Rob's link, it is quite possible to do IRC style
> "#newchannel" conference creation in RJabber.
>
>
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