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Subject:

Re: Chat room for UK site admins?

From:

"Bly, Martin (STFC,RAL,PPD)" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:26:41 +0100

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Watch out for jabber chatrooms.  Last I looked, they were centrally
logged.  They may not be publicy readable/searchable, but I'm wary of
their being a log of any private security data anywhere not under our
control.

-- 
Martin Bly
RAL Tier1 Fabric Manager 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Douglas McNab
> Sent: 28 August 2009 11:04
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Chat room for UK site admins?
> 
> Hi 
> 
> I have made it publicly searchable and realised that I had 
> actually set it password protected.  
> This has been removed.  Also Adium appears not be able to 
> reconfigure a room once its created.
> So I have now gone for Psi.  The room is now open to with Sam 
> and Derek in there already.
> One using Jabber and one using googlemail.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dug
> 
> 
> 2009/8/28 Douglas McNab <[log in to unmask]>
> 
> 
> 	Hey,
> 	
> 	I was just messing with jabber chatrooms and it seems 
> fairly easy to create a chat room with a jabber account.
> 	In fact there should be one called 
> [log in to unmask] now.  There is no password, 
> its persistent and it is not publicly searchable.  You can 
> set other preferences from the menu and all you need is a 
> jabber account, google talk accounts seems to get a 401 
> message.  After some digging it looks like the sometimes work 
> but I suspect the API changes frequently.  I am using Adium 
> (for jabber and google talk) but any jabber client i.e. 
> Pidgin should work and you should be able to flick between 
> google talk/jabber from the client.  Feel free to join and 
> see if its of any use?
> 	
> 	Cheers,
> 	
> 	Dug
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	2009/8/27 Derek Ross <[log in to unmask]>
> 
> 
> 		As part of the discussion about Security - in 
> particular not having a private list to discuss security 
> issues with UK Site admins (TB-Support is public)  it was 
> suggested to set up a chat room, after Jeremy left a few of 
> us hung around and discussed this in the evo chat window, 
> I've pasted the relevant part of the log below to get 
> opinions from others on the TB-Support list.
> 		
> 		Derek
> 		
> 		
> 		[12:14:05] Winnie Lacesso - I would prefer EVO 
> meetings myself not IRC chat...
> 		[12:14:12] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think it might be 
> useful, but IIRC when it's come up before various sites 
> firewall IRC pretty badly.
> 		[12:14:33] Stephen Burke - irc used to be 
> banned at RAL, not sure about the current status
> 		[12:14:35] Sam Skipsey - And, indeed, other 
> chat systems - jabber, Skype chat, etc.
> 		[12:14:51] Ewan Mac Mahon - The external 
> logging concern goes for EVO as well.
> 		[12:15:22] Rob Fay - it's not that hard to run 
> an irc server, and 24/7 live chat can be useful... if people use it
> 		[12:15:47] Dug McNab - it needs to be something 
> the tier1 can use, so whatever is allowed there would be the way to go
> 		[12:16:22] Peter Love - sign up for google-wave
> 		[12:16:54] Rob Fay - google wave might be a 
> solution, but not yet
> 		[12:17:45] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think if we;re 
> setting up something ourselves I'd go for jabber rather than IRC,
> 		[12:18:55] Derek Ross - problems is that may 
> only fix the problem for one site - would other sites be 
> happy about using a service hosted at another univeristy to 
> discuss internal security issues?
> 		[12:19:19] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think EVO is 
> supposed to be able to do jabber-y things like presence 
> notification etc. but I've never tried to use it like that.
> 		[12:19:36] Rob Fay - Derek, if they're not, 
> nothing will work
> 		[12:19:47] Duncan Rand - well maybe a 'not for 
> security issues' to start with
> 		[12:19:56] Sam Skipsey - Why use EVO, though, 
> since Jabber already solves those problems?
> 		[12:20:15] Christopher Walker - I'm not 
> familiar with jabber. How does it differ
> 		[12:20:23] Christopher Walker - from IRC
> 		[12:20:27] Rob Fay - argument for evo: everyone 
> already uses it, argument against evo: jabber can be run by 
> us with the advantages that entails
> 		[12:20:38] Rob Fay - whereas evo can't AFAIK
> 		[12:20:41] Derek Ross - evo is quite resource intensive
> 		[12:20:46] Ewan Mac Mahon-  Well, we do sort-of 
> all use EVO already as well, and it does have the possibility 
> of turning a chat into an audo conversation.
> 		[12:21:09] Sam Skipsey - EVO is used by use 
> because people keep scheduling meetings on it, not because it 
> necessarily solves the problem we want to solve.
> 		[12:21:14] Rob Fay - audio is overrated, at 
> least with text you can't hear the other people in graeme's 
> office typing
> 		[12:21:19] Ewan Mac Mahon - Plus, AIUI it's 
> trickier to get jabber to do chat rooms, it's more one-to-one.
> 		[12:21:43] Ewan Mac Mahon - I know it /can/ do 
> multi-user, I'm just not sure how to do it.
> 		[12:21:45] Derek Ross - can be done its not 
> that hard - the Tier 1 has one
> 		[12:21:51] Sam Skipsey - Jabber does do chat 
> rooms, it's not too hard.
> 		[12:21:54] Derek Ross - we use conference.jabber.org
> 		[12:22:02] Ewan Mac Mahon - I think it needs 
> setting up on the server though, doesn't it.
> 		[12:22:08] Sam Skipsey - Yes.
> 		[12:22:13] Derek Ross - Pidgin (a jaber client) 
> seems well set up to use them
> 		[12:22:16] Christopher Walker - What we want - 
> or to be more precise, what I want is a way of saying - hmm 
> I've got this problem anyone have the same problem, or have anyideas.
> 		[12:22:22] Ewan Mac Mahon - You can't just 
> /join #newchannel like you can on IRC.
> 		[12:22:33] Rob Fay - 
> http://www.jabber.org/index.php/faq/#chatrooms
> 		[12:22:43] Sam Skipsey - However, IRC is 
> horribly insecure, Ewan.
> 		[12:23:00] Derek Ross - true its hard to split 
> off for small sub discussions with jabber unles they are 1-1
> 		[12:23:38] Ewan Mac Mahon - Sam: It's 
> unencrypted, but (unless you're using something like OTR) so 
> is jabber. How's IRC any worse?
> 		[12:23:39] Sam Skipsey - And, according to 
> Rob's link, it is quite possible to do IRC style 
> "#newchannel" conference creation in RJabber.
> 
> 	
> 	
> 	
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