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Fwd: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] September 2009: update and "Real-Time: Showing Art in the Age of New Media"

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roger malina <[log in to unmask]>

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roger malina <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:18:55 +0200

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Charlie, Johannes, Sally Jane, Josephine et al

some saturday morning inputs

= I agree that insitutional acceptance of new kinds of artmaking
can reflect underlying cultural questions= but unfortunately there are
purely structual (see network theory) realities that make institutions
in general resistant to change= and the larger the institution the
longer the time constants- coupled to just generational hand over
so maybe one shouldnt over interpret why a museum build around
concepts of connoisseurship and the art market will have trouble
getting interested in time based real time interactive work. The turmoil
in the print publishing industry faced with open networked "read and write"
texts doesnt need to go into Lacan to be understood in my opinion.

=time based arts have always existed and as simon mentions took a particular
institutional form in the 1970s- at the same time as inter-media etc

=the new situation of interest i do think has to do with real time, multiple
user
interactive distributed work= which is not scored in the way of performance
but establishes contexts within which evolutive works emerge= i am happy
to get into Lacan and others on this, issue of alienation/loneliness etc

- would tie the definition of 'real time' to "non-scored" which was
discussed in
an earlier crumb discussion

= would also separate single user/spectator work (eg head mounted
augmented reality systems) and multi user systems which present different
problems of display to external audiences= the issues obiviously already
arise in performance art, see for instance frank popper's book arts
interactifs
-there is a long discussion on this in french on the olats web site

http://www.olats.org/livresetudes/basiques/6_basiques.php

This discussion itself on crumb would be itself illustrate some of the
issues=
its a real time, but non synchronous, multi user discussion within the
particular
contraints of the technical protocols of an elist- there is a clear written
annotation
of the event.

Coming back to my parrallel example of publishing industry resistance to new
forms of publication  Marin Dacos book (!) on READ WRITE BOOK
http://www.unibook.com/unibook/site/bookdetail/?bookid=7624&lang=fr
develops many of the issues.

Roger



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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gere, Charlie <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:45 AM
S

Hi Crumbs


It is obvious that the incursion of time-based art into the gallery or
museum space involves considerably more than simply the inclusion of other
forms of media. It offers rather a profound challenge to a number of
assumptions about the 'art work' as a phenomenon, to do with its supposed
autonomy, stability, endurability. So far so obvious. What is perhaps
interesting is to think about the context in which this took place and how
it reflects other questions.

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