Well sometimes (and I have said it before) that I think the media explosion
of whoring in "Aspietown" ought to be controlled by cosa nostra, because it
is 'our thing'. To whit some programme on BBC three tonight and publicity
elsewhere for Dr Murray's wanton book of cinematurgy, (or am I confusing
that with anthroposophagy which is neither religion, discipline or vice but
all three.)
Google is even less of your friend than the BBC, once upon a time there were
researchers with encyclopaedic memories, not any more :(
Heck "the disabled" only exist for peoples entertainment, and what better
and more patronising entertainment exists than for precious academics than
the human zoo.
Larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List [mailto:DISABILITY-
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank Hall-Bentick
> Sent: 10 August 2009 01:03
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: nothing about us without us
>
> David,
>
> Thanks for info and links.
>
> Some writers of DPI Disabled Peoples' International are now writing that
> "Nothing about us without us" was the original slogan used at the 1st
World
> Congress of DPI held in Singapore 1981, in fact this slogan was Vox Nostra
> "Our Voice".
>
> One problem for me as an English only webster is that references &
histories
> in other languages are unknown unless translated.
>
> As I said before I first heard Nothing about us without us from DPI World
> Chairperson Ron Chandran-Dudley when he attended our first DPI Asia
Pacific
> Regional Assembly in Adelaide 1984. At that meeting he was accompanied by
a
> Polish female Dr (PhD) following his recent visit to Poland. Ron told us
it
> was a cry for freedom used in peasant uprisings.
>
> As for when it became common usage in our disability movement would be
hard
> to pin down. Use in articles & newspapers is usually well after the event
> with us remembering history as we think it was, maybe not as it actually
> was.
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank
>
>
> There are several observations that must be made regarding the post from
> Larry Arnold. First of all, I am an exceedingly young person. Harry S.
> Truman was the President of the United States of America when I was born
> so I just graduated from Elementary School but a few weeks ago. <g>
> Secondly, and much more importantly, the search that I conducted of Google
> News Archive, given that this is a disabilities list, was to find the use
> of "Nothing about us without us" IN THE CONTEXT OF DISABILITIES and not as
> used in other contexts and this can be clearly viewed by anyone who
> elected to check the link that I provided.
>
> Results 1 - 2 of 2 for "nothing about us without us" and disabilities.
> (0.10 seconds)
>
> View recent news results for nothing-about-us-without-us and
disabilities
> 1990-91
> Search other dates
> Search other dates From To
>
>
> Also of critical importance is that I was looking to see news media use of
> this phrase. Google News Archive does not cover other uses of this
> phrase such as that in books, literature, scholarly sources, popular
> magazines and in documents found on the web, old or new. Other Google
> search tools can be used for this type of searching, but I limited to news
> media because this is the only Google database, Google News Archive, that
> has a timeline chart at the top of the search results, making a
> chronological time line a part of this tools information retrieval. I
> noted that this was not an accurate indication of the first use of this
> phrase, even by the media, but rather an interesting Google fact to note.
>
>
> Furthermore, full text indexing of news media was a develoment that really
> got underway in a larger scale starting in 1980, so that most full text
> searching of newspapers prior to 1980 mostly encompass retro-indexing
> projects that are far fewer in number than the from now on entries into
> the full text archives of newspapers starting around 1980 and beyond.
>
>
>
> Indeed for any who wish to pursue the first use of this phrase in any
> context, one can Meet the Googles for help with this task.
>
>
> Google Web Search:
>
>
> Results 1 - 10 of about 1,810 for "nothing about us without us" and
> (origin OR "first use" OR etymology).
>
>
> <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=L0J9StGFINSJtgfUnqn2Aw&sa=X&oi=
> spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22nothing+about+us+without+us%22+and+
> (origin+OR+%22first+use%22+OR+etymology)&spell=1>
>
>
> A shorter URL for the above link:
>
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/m4k2ol>
>
>
>
> Google Scholar:
>
>
> Results 1 - 10 of about 251 for "nothing about us without us" and (origin
> OR "first use" OR etymology).
>
>
> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&ei=L0J9StGFINSJtgfUnqn2Aw&
> resnum=0&q=%22nothing%20about%20us%20without%20us%22%20and%20
> (origin%20OR%20%22first%20use%22%20OR%20etymology)
> &um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=ws>
>
>
> A shorter URL for the above link:
>
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/kqewv2>
>
>
>
> Google Books:
>
>
> Books 1 - 10 of 18 on "nothing about us without us" and (origin OR "first
> use" OR etymology).
>
>
> <http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&ei=L0J9StGFINSJtgfUnqn2Aw&resnum=
> 0&q=%22nothing%20about%20us%20without%20us%22%20and%20(origin%20OR%20
> %
> 22first%20use%22%20OR%20etymology)&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=sp>
>
>
> A shorter URL for the above link:
>
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/l7ghvy>
>
>
> Generally, it is hard to track when a word or phrase came into use, but
> Google provides tools for this activity that can be found nowhere else,
> in particular the ability of do a full text search in now over seven
> million books of all vintages and growing. There is no other full text
> book search tool of this nature on this planet, Microsoft tried to create
> a competitive search tool and abandoned the project.
>
>
> This leads to another observation about the tone of this criticism. I
> encounter numerous older scholars who are critical of computer tools and
> of databases and search engines. They are far from perfect. EBSCO and
> OVID have both found me on the telephone complaining about their search
> tools over time. That being said, the ability to track information that
> could have taken weeks in the world of card catalogs and periodical
> indexes, is now reduced to minutes or less with many searches. One no
> longer needs to know the first word of a title or guess what subject
> heading a cataloger or subject indexer selected to index a book or
> article. In the nineteen-seventies (I do seem a bit old to be just
> starting Middle School), I went round and round with a cataloger who
> insisted on using the subject heading "Registers" to describe by subject a
> government manual like the United States Manual or United States
> Government Manual.
>
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/ksfeoo>
>
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/mo6eqy>
>
>
> <http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/
> publications/government-manual.html>
>
>
> A shorter URL for the above link:
>
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/mwtm4g>
>
>
> Quoting:
>
>
> The United States Government Manual provides comprehensive information on
> the agencies of the legislative, judicial, and executive branches. It also
> includes information on quasi-official agencies; international
> organizations in which the United States participates; and boards,
> commissions, and committees.
>
> The Manual, one of GPO's top selling publications, is published annually
> as a special edition of the Federal Register (1 CFR 9.1). The new edition
> of the Manual is available to the Public each year in the late summer.
>
> A typical agency description includes:
>
> A list of officials heading major operating units
>
> A summary statement of the agency's purpose and role in the Federal
> Government
>
> A brief history of the agency, including its legislative or executive
> authority
>
> A description of its programs and activities
>
> Information, addresses, and phone numbers to help users locate detailed
> information on consumer activities, contracts and grants, employment,
> publications, and other matters of public interest
>
>
>
> ------------------
>
>
>
> Who would ever dream of searching the word REGISTERS to find this
> reference tool. The old methods of locating information using print tools
> were frought with huge traps. Consider the ancestor of the database
> PsychInfo, Psychological Abstracts. One had to use the index to see an
> article title and a list of hard to mentally process list of key terms and
> phrases descriptive of the article to decide if one wanted to go to
> another volume by five digit entry number all covering a six month period
> to view the abstract and citation for this enigmatic article listing. It
> could take a doctoral student many months of Sundays to try and use this
> tool and to be thorough, they would also want to accomplish this same kind
> of feat in Sociological Abstracts. Information retrieval feats have become
> less stringent with the advent of databases and search engines. Today one
> can search Sociological Abstacts using it as a database from Cambridge
> Scientific Abstracts (CSA) who also own Pro-Quest and Dialog. One can
> search PsycInfo from a number of vendors including OVID and EBSCO, but the
> catch is that one must be at an institution such as a college or
> university that provides these tools online for member use. One must also
> learn the very different searching protocols and techniques for each of
> these databanks. For those outside this group, in the United States and
> some other countries such as Canada, public libraries through state
> governments or provincial governments provide access to a select group of
> databases 24/7 to library card holders who can log on from any computer
> with their library card number and perhaps a PIN or other ID to use these
> tools. The EBSCO database Academic Search Premier that covers all subject
> fields is frequently one of these databases available through public
> librraies. First Search makes Worldcat available free on the web and it
> is a very large database of books that also provided selected article
> content from the First Search database Article First. Nevertheless,
> anyone in the world can use Google Scholar, Google Government and Google
> Books. Google Scholar, it should be noted, without full text found in
> these databases, except as made available elsewhere, has the full indexing
> and abstacting of these databases.
>
>
> MUSE
> JSTOR
> PubMed (MEDLINE as a commercial product)
> Science Direct
>
>
> and I am certain there are others.
>
>
> Worldcat
> <http://www.worldcat.org>
>
>
> If you make the mistake of using .com with this address instead of .org,
> you will find yourself in ship shape and in water over your head. <g>
>
>
> Another danger of the old print tool methods of research somehow
> overlooked these days is the risk of serious injury. Consider dropping a
> heavy card catalog drawer with over one thousand cards on your foot. Two
> hands required for pulling these weapons out of the holder for research
> purposes. I have a cartoon on my door that shows a person on his stomach
> on the floor with the rod used to hold catalog cards in the drawer in his
> back. The librarian is explaining to the policeman as they stand over
> cards scattered on the floor that this deceased library user dropped the
> arabic language card catalog drawer.
>
>
> Well I would love to continue this discussion, but I need to study for
> Middle School that starts in less than a month and I do not have a lot of
> time for this today as I also play third base in Little League and we have
> a game today.
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> David Dillard
> Temple University
> (215) 204 - 4584
> [log in to unmask]
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> ----------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Larry Arnold wrote:
>
> > So much for the fallible memory of google, oh ye latter generation with
> > minds no larger than Cyber Space, who know not what lies beyond and has
> > yet
> > to penetrate.
>
> > I have been around longer than the 1990's and so has the phrase.
>
> > It has echo's in many others too, as has already been elicited. Even
that
> > favourite, "no taxation without representation comes to mind."
>
> > But who remembers this one, sous les paves la plage ? Ou sont les
habitués
> > du Quartier Latin, Danton?
>
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List [mailto:DISABILITY-
> >> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David P. Dillard
> >> Sent: 07 August 2009 18:38
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: nothing about us without us
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is hardly reliable timeline information, but Google News Archive
> >> tracks this phrase to around 1990
> >>
> >> <http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22nothing+about+us+without+
> >> us%22+and+disabilities&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=
> >> 1990&as_hdate=1991&lnav=hist0>
> >>
> >>
> >> A shorter URL for the above link:
> >>
> >>
> >> <http://tinyurl.com/no2lpe>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1990-91 Search other datesSearch other datesFrom To
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> for persons with developmental disabilities: a cooperative...
> >> Pay-Per-View - Palaestra - HighBeam Research - Jun 22, 1991
> >> March is developmental disabilities awareness month.(state and local
> >> news)(Nothing About Us Without Us celebration)(Brief article) ...
Related
> >> web pages
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Maryland doctor gives `irrecuperables' a chance
> >> Pay-Per-View - USA TODAY - ProQuest Archiver - Sep 10, 1990
> >> The priority: 500 to 600 kids with deformities and disabilities who,
...
> >> to operate according to an old Romanian saying: ``Do nothing about us
> >> without us. ... All 2 related - Related web pages
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> David Dillard
> >> Temple University
> >> (215) 204 - 4584
> >> [log in to unmask]
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> >> <http://guides.temple.edu/tourism>
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> >> <http://tinyurl.com/36qd2o>
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> >> Twitter: davidpdillard
> >>
> >>
> >> Bushell, R. & Sheldon, P. (eds),
> >> Wellness and Tourism: Mind, Body, Spirit,
> >> Place, New York: Cognizant Communication Books.
> >> Wellness Tourism: Bibliographic and Webliographic Essay
> >> David P. Dillard
> >> <http://tinyurl.com/p63whl>
> >> <http://tinyurl.com/ou53aw>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Frank Mulcahy wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Julie,
> >>>
> >>> As far as I am aware the 'nothing about us without us' phrase came
from
> > the
> >>> initial meeting of DPI. It is still used by DPI and was used at all
> > times
> >>> during the negotitions for the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons
> > with
> >>> Disabilities.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>>
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>> Frank Mulcahy
> >>> 'Franmar'
> >>> 2 Castle Village Court
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