Pierre, you may be right. I felt the Deleuze quote was an attempt to
provoke me as it was just "thrown" at me with no comment given. I still
think that it does not reflect Wordsworth's ideas about the matter.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:16:38 -0400, Pierre Joris
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>Jeff,
>
>you can't dismiss Deleuze's thinking about empiricism as "just an
>opinion," or else anything anybody says or writes can be dismissed as
>"just an opinion" & then we're up shitcreek without a paddle.
>
>I have skimmed through this whole discussion with mounting irritation
>as "just opinion" seems to have been the core mode of proposal &
>response. As someone who's been active (well more voyeuristically
>these last few years) on a range of e-fora since their inception, I
>can say from experience that serious, detailed discussions &
exchanges
>are rather rare (I remember some excellent ones on the buffalo poetics
>list in its early years). I wonder if combining discussions on the
>list with more detailed statements (such as those chapters you
>proposed we read) on parallel blogs, would be a better way in that it
>would lessen the risk of just instant irritated comeback snapping?
>
>Pierre
>
>On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Jeffrey Side wrote:
>
>> "Empiricism is by no means a reaction against concepts, nor a
simple
>> appeal to lived experience. On the contrary, it undertakes the most
>> insane creation of concepts ever seen or heard." (Gilles Deleuze
>> Difference and Repetition)
>>
>> This is just an opinion and bears no relation to how WW thought of
it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:03:10 -0400, cris cheek
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> ;-) Xcellent John
>>>
>>> looking forwards to onwards reading discussions
>>>
>>> 10 hour dive / drive to Toronto to read some live writing now ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> as if
>>>
>>> so fay
>>>
>>> xx
>>>
>>> cc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:58 PM, John Hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Certainly, Wordsworth's empiricism is tempered by his
>>>> transcendentalism in
>>>> the minds of most people [...]" (J. Side)
>>>>
>>>> "Empiricism is by no means a reaction against concepts, nor a
>>>> simple appeal
>>>> to lived experience. On the contrary, it undertakes the most
insane
>>>> creation
>>>> of concepts ever seen or heard." (Gilles Deleuze Difference and
>>>> Repetition,
>>>> p.xx)
>>>>
>>>> Insanely,
>>>>
>>>> John
>
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