Thanks Desmond, apprecited.

Cheers
Tim A.
On 26 Jun 2009, at 01:08, Desmond Swords wrote:

> Tim.
>
> i am very sorry.
>
> I was in a bit of a mood for the last few days, surfing the latest  
> wave of
> composition and got too uptight and carried away with myself.
>
> Living in the imagination, i had cast myself as some poor victim and  
> you the
> wholly ficticious bogey-man.
>
> I said some harsh things and was in the wrong, so sorry.
>
> I am only human, you are only human and we both love poetry  
> (whatever that
> is, as charlie windsor said about love) and i have got over myself  
> now. i
> cannot claim to be an outsider or poor victim anymore as i have  
> spent the
> last two years sharpening the stilleto in public spaces, pretty much  
> seeing
> it as a continuation of my official learning and it's obvious to  
> even me now
> that i am not the type of lout most would fancy getting in a row  
> with n the
> cobbles of cyberspace.
>
> In my defense, all i can say is, this online lark, is wholly brand  
> new and i
> am very lucky to be just coming into the zone of eloquence and  
> understanding
> exactly how the biz works (vis a vis editors sniffing round you, or  
> boxing
> you off as an untouchable) - eight years after falling into the  
> game, and by
> pure fluke of history, don't have to go through what Cobbing and the  
> radz
> did pre-net, because now - as i know - there is no difference  
> between self
> publishing with someone like Xlibris or youwriteon.com (which gives  
> 60%
> royalties, less production costs (which they do not state) which is  
> three
> and four times as much as the old days) and Salt.
>
> I know as i recently got four Salt titles (including Poetry Wars)  
> and one by
> an Indian writer in Glasgow,  Leela Soma, who published with  
> youwriteon.com,
> a title called Twice Born, and there is zero difference in the actual
> product, both printed on the same machine at Lightning Source. Salt  
> authors
> (if it's industry standard) on 12-15% and Soma on 60% less  
> production costs
> and available from the exact same online places like Amazon and  
> Waterstones.
>
> So, there is no twenty years in the shed stapling pamphlets and the  
> drip
> drip drip of knawing unfairness in knowing there is an old bores  
> network
> .01% fluke into, when someone who writes their earliest juvenelia in  
> Oxo
> gets feted by their common room pals, a la Motion and Morrison as the
> saviours of British verse - just because they won some tin pot prize  
> as an
> undergraduate.
>
> So, sorry, Tim, no hard feelings, i am a dickhead, what can i say,  
> an arty
> waffler, dreamer and unfortunately as you say, in my issues, i  
> unfairly cast
> you as some figure to duel with on some pretty tame and slight  
> pretext. Sorry.
>
> ~
>
> I don't think we need moderating Sally, we are all adults here, we  
> just need
> to be honest about our mistakes. If we act like a moron, just say,  
> oops,
> sorry i was an idiot for a few minutes.
>
> As Croggon said, online is different, we cannot expect the  
> ettiquette of the
> old one-way days to apply, as we are effectively making the rules up  
> as we
> go along, and there are two ways of looking at it.
>
> A wild west heady time, history being made as we speak, and which  
> the next
> generation will sort out into who was who and what was happening, or  
> as a
> social network gaffe aside from the serious biz which happens only  
> in the
> one way print mode of yesteryear.
>
> My own thinking, because i started in 2001, straight after deciding  
> to try
> my hand at the game falling into third level and couldn't have  
> planned it
> better coz i cut out the years in cafes malarky - the year i started  
> at edge
> hill university and which was the intake that they started all work
> submitted via e mail -  all this means that my own experience has
> conditioned me to think, (and from the beginning) that everyting  
> weas going
> to migrate online, and it was just a question of when, and i think  
> now we
> are there, like mobile phones went ubiquitous in 1999 or so, that one
> christmas the price was lowered and now, if you aint got a phone,  
> you are
> clearly mntally ill.
>
> So, sorry for being a windy git, i am just a harmless artist and so  
> sorry tim.
>
> thanks very much.