Stephen wrote: >As much as I think right now the practice of poetry has
become a mix of saturation and disconnect by us makers of the stuff.<
I can't parse this.
2009/6/2 Stephen Vincent <[log in to unmask]>
> Ah, yes, Martin. EKB is a West Indian that I read and very much liked. I
> think he is no longer with us, as well!! Walcott I have read little because
> there was not much impulse to read more. An ambitious emulative "iam pentam"
> colonial subject, methought. Which probably fit the officially desired
> Oxford "Professor" template, I suspect.
> No, I have been around a lot of, in my opinion, great poetry written by
> 'ungreat' people who are of and have connected across various classes. As
> much as I think right now the practice of poetry has become a mix of
> saturation and disconnect by us makers of the stuff. As much as I try also
> to remain connected and connect, etc.
> And I am blessed to live in a City and region where a ton of poets and
> poetry stuff happens - readings, talks, etc.
>
> Stephen V
> http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Martin Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> From: Martin Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: "Previously unpublished"
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 2:13 AM
>
> Bra(i)thwaite, Stephen? Methinks you got your West Indians mixed up ;-).
> Edward Kamau B. is as you say not so well known, but in the poetry world
> Derek Walcott has been much read and fêted. And has poetry ever - at least
> since bardic times - been much more than a diversion of the clerisy &
> purveyors of high-class entertainment to the ruling caste, he asked
> wickedly?
> mj
> Du siehst mein Sohn, zum Raum wird hier die Zeit. - Gurnemanz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Vincent
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:06 AM
> Subject: Re: "Previously unpublished"
>
>
> I been thinking - and maybe others have, as well - that a poem does not
> exist in any of the public spheres (online, print, etc.) until it 'breeds' a
> review and/or critical response in the eye/ear in a similar or entirely
> separate public channel (online,print, etc.) And something continues to grow
> from there.
>
> I am thinking that most poetry, no matter how well or diligently written
> has become absolutely frivolous. Frivolous because it has no visible, or
> useful function in the culture(s). It's just dead on arrival! The mechanisms
> for making it so appear entirely devoid of vitality.
> At best Hermes is talking to Hermes.
>
> Until such public means (call and response) are constructed (again), no
> matter our skills and muse fidelities, in terms of any longer being a big
> public animal, we be sweeping salt. (i.e., there is much work to be done,
> and why the weekly poetry snap here can be and is valuable).
>
> Whatever his graces, flaws, etc. I suspect Padel was able for a bit to
> play her ruse on Braithwaite and make it persuasive was because not many in
> this world had read his poetry. Where issues of sexual harassment are - and
> rightly so - required literacy and training in multiple (academic,
> corporate, etc.) environments. And consequently publicly persuasive and, for
> a time, ruled this discussion
>
> On this this joyous note!
>
> Stephen V
> http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
>
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