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Re: "Previously unpublished"

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Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

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Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:58:43 -0400

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My practice: I don't consider web publication as the same category as 
print publication, so I just submit. Someday someone may complain. 
Till then, that's my tacit decision.

Mark

At 11:24 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:
>The whole issue of whether print media poetry editors consider various
>forms of on line appearance to be "previous publication" is very
>confused, and in general editors have done little  to clarify it.
>Most submission guidelines simply specify "previously unpublished."
>But there's no common sense or generally accepted answer to whether
>"previously published"  includes internet publication, since there's
>no common sense or generally accepted definition of  what "internet
>publication" is.   For instance, a poem might appear on the internet:
>
>1) in an email sent by the poet to an individual
>
>2) in an email sent to an email dist list maintained on the poet's 
>email account
>
>3) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list which is
>not archived anywhere
>
>4) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list the
>archive of which is only available to registered members
>
>5) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list, the
>archive of which is not indexed by Google but is available to anyone
>who knows where to look for it (like poetryetc)
>
>6) in an email sent to a centrally maintained email dist list, the
>archive of which is indexed by Google so that anyone can find the poem
>by a Google author or title search
>
>7) on an internet poetry web site where anyone can post their poems
>(like poemhunter.com, which is a particularly good example of the
>uncertainty, since that site has characteristics of both an on line
>anthology and an on line workshop)
>
>8) on the poet's own personal web site
>
>9) on someone else's hobbyist literary web site
>
>10) on a formally edited on line poetry magazine web site unconnected
>with any print magazine
>
>11) on the web site of a print magazine (while not being included in
>the print version)
>
>12) on a web site of any one of the types mentioned above that was
>taken off line five years ago, so that the poem is no longer available
>on the internet
>
>13) any combination of the above
>
>14) other situations I haven't thought of
>
>Which of the above constitute "previous publication on the internet?"
>Almost no one, I think,  would include 1) or 2),  almost everyone
>would include 10) and 11), and there would varying degrees of
>disagreement about the rest.
>
>If you ask print media poetry editors about this, they will usually
>just say glibly, "If it's on the internet, it's been published,"
>because that's the easy answer to a messy question and since they get
>so many poems anyway, they're glad to have one more category to
>summarily weed out.   This means that poets who want to submit poems
>to print journals need to keep those poems off the internet while they
>are being considered by those print journals; and since response times
>are typically measured in months, and many poems are only finally
>accepted for publication after being submitted to a series of print
>journals, this could easily mean keeping them off the internet for a
>year or more.
>
>I suspect many poets either tacitly follow their private definitions
>of what constitutes "internet publication" when submitting to print
>media -- "the guidelines say 'no previous publication' and this has
>been on poemhunter but I don't have to mention that because that's not
>really publication" -- or else look on this issue as one more reason
>not to deal with the humiliating gauntlet of "submission" (what a
>wonderfully albeit unconsciously apt word for it!) to print journals
>and to just put everything on the internet themselves in the first
>place.
>
>--
>===============================================
>
>    Jon Corelis    http://jcorelis.googlepages.com/joncorelis
>
>===============================================

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