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2009/6/23 Caleb Cluff <[log in to unmask]>
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> Caleb
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:54 PM, David Bircumshaw <
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> > wrote:
>
> > I think what Graves' was (unconsciously or not) restating is the old
> > distinction between country understanding and town intelligence. It's not
> > heard of so much in Britain these days as the cultural relationship
> between
> > urbs and its farmlands has altered so much: in Hardy's youth there still
> > was
> > a distinctive rural peasantry and an oral tradition of ballad singing,
> not
> > something you're likely to find in the dormitory villages of today.
> > You will still see something of a distinctive rural ( and troubled by
> city
> > slickers) in poets from some countries - Les Murray springs to mind, I
> > don't
> > mean to say Murray is a Bumpkin, he's a very sophisticated man, but
> there's
> > a real distinction between him and, say, a Charles Bernstein.
> >
> > 2009/6/23 Angel <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > > I wish my last name was swords...
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 22, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Desmond Swords <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > WARNING: HIGHLY SPECIOUS NON SCHOLARLY GUFF. DO NOT READ EFF OFF.
> > >>
> > >> "Craft is natural capcity, ability and the attention one spends
> > >> Technique is the way of accomplishing."
> > >>
> > >> Plato - Cratylus: 389 - 390.
> > >>
> > >> Plato i think nails it, and it is interesting that Graves, for all his
> > >> resistance to Socrate's pupil, essentially concurs with the above
> > >> definition.
> > >>
> > >> Not on the surface of course - oh no: because his natural propensity
> for
> > >> sublimating the obvious into a poetic algebra along the lines of level
> > six
> > >> anruth dark-speech bearla na filidh whose hidden meanings yield
> > themselves
> > >> only to the initiate and adept trained in the autochthonous Pelasgian
> > >> order
> > >> of secret mystical knowledge he devoted his entire life enquiring into
> > for
> > >> the purpose of becoming fluent in Hypo-Borean law -- meant Bob's
> > personal
> > >> (and public) project as a bore who could perfrom in that role perhaps
> at
> > a
> > >> greater rate of torque than any of his competitors and rivals,
> mirrored
> > >> that
> > >> of the ancient ollamhs whose chief interest, as Boberto states:
> > >>
> > >> "..was the refinement of complex poetic truth to exact statement. S/He
> > >> knew
> > >> the history and mythic value of every word s/he used and can have
> cared
> > >> little for the ordinary person's appreciation of their work; s/he
> valued
> > >> only the judgement of her (or his) colleagues, whom he seldom met
> > without
> > >> a
> > >> lively exchange of poetic wit in extempre verse."
> > >>
> > >> So we can see here that though the link between Plato and Bob's
> > statements
> > >> on Craft and Technique may not be immediately grasped by a lay reader
> -
> > >> the
> > >> undertow reveals itself to the higher thinking and intellectually
> > skilled
> > >> whose a priori rationale and inborn Poetic - is really wanting only to
> > >> know
> > >> the bottom-line (poetic) meaning and magical property of every word he
> > >> deployed in the millions he wrote during a very long life of being
> hated
> > >> by
> > >> those who did not have a continual stream of attractive young people
> > >> flocking to sit at his feet and imbibe from the living source, such
> > arcana
> > >> as to be getting on and dropping out with, back in the sixties and
> > >> seventies
> > >> when he was at the peak of his power as a mystic nifty dresser looking
> > the
> > >> part in top hat and cane, locuting in a flawless pukka upper crust
> > brogue,
> > >> what was what vis a vis craft and technique.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps if he were around today, the first thing Bob would do if he
> were
> > >> to
> > >> come here and show off - would be to give the etymologies of the two
> > >> words:
> > >>
> > >> Craft - from Old English cræft, which means natural ability, skill etc
> > >>
> > >> Technique - from teche - art, craft, in the sense of physical
> technical
> > >> knowledge and know-how of making stuff.
> > >>
> > >> The less gullible amongst you will of course know the quote heading
> this
> > >> speculative discourse is ficticious, something the craftsperson in me,
> > the
> > >> natural wit side, made up as a creative launch pad into discussing the
> > >> topic
> > >> in hand.
> > >>
> > >> I admit to not possesing any knowledge which seperates the above two
> > >> words,
> > >> but after finding a way in, it seems some line of logic from the
> > >> etymologies
> > >> suggests Craft is the natural talent we possess, and Technique,
> > something
> > >> which can be learned by anyone, and a combination of the two is needed
> > to
> > >> shape something of interest and value to Scholarship generally.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps if Bob were here now he would recount how Plato speaks of
> τέχνη
> > >> (techne) in the Republic with two distinct interpretations, when
> > engaging
> > >> with (fierce-fighter) Thrasymachus, who violently disagrees with the
> > >> Socratic conclusion of his discussion with Polemarchus about justice
> and
> > >> argues that techne existing in a wholly theoretical sense, represented
> a
> > >> threat to peace, order and good government - but when deploying the
> word
> > >> technê in relation to practical use, in the sense of crafting objects,
> > it
> > >> was a benefit.
> > >>
> > >> So what Bob's saying here mirrors Plato's distinction that theoretical
> > >> Technique, the waffle at the fruiter end of the po-mo spectrum in
> which
> > >> all
> > >> kinds of crazee specs are conjured into being by eromenos-like
> groovers
> > >> the
> > >> grove being supervised and strategically steered by senior erastae
> into
> > >> writing 50,000 word theses on how the theories of the profs three
> doors
> > up
> > >> have made amazing epistemological advances in the name of Scholarship
> --
> > >> can
> > >> all be a bit on the airy fairy side. Whilst the Craft, the
> > presupposition
> > >> of
> > >> some otherworldly magical doctrine inherent in the unknowable order of
> > >> unconscious tune watermarking the blueprint of the cosmos - is the
> gear
> > in
> > >> the psychological DNA, or not - i think.
> > >>
> > >> Craft = innate ability
> > >>
> > >> Technique = taught competence
> > >>
> > >> Technique is theoretical know-how and the technician assumes that
> > >> L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poems can be constructed by formulae all have access
> to
> > >> regardless of natural ability, written like instructions on soup
> > packets,
> > >> by
> > >> a variety of methods which (often mistakenly) think they are radical
> and
> > >> new, but are really, the staid and boring missiles aimed at rival
> > >> competing
> > >> pedagog-targets who are all on three squares, sinecure and pension
> plan
> > >> who
> > >> (often) despise mere the craftspeople for their intellectual fizz and
> > >> ability to fix text in ways which gets read by a wider non-collegiate
> > >> audeince of real people who the faux radz then claim are all dumbos
> for
> > >> spending on the garret based attic-dwellers havin a larf at Eliot,
> Pound
> > >> and
> > >> whose only God and unrealisable bar and aim to reach, is the later
> > Yeats,
> > >> ignoring what in a 7C Old Irish text detailing poetic first
> principles,
> > >> terms:
> > >>
> > >> "The abundence of goading one receives when taking up the bardic
> craft."
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > David Bircumshaw
> > "Nothing can be done in the face
> > of ordinary unhappiness" - PP
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> >
>
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David Bircumshaw
"Nothing can be done in the face
of ordinary unhappiness" - PP
Website and A Chide's Alphabet
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