Whoops. Prescriptive writing errors ...... Should read: " the so called fat cats" and later. "wealth glutons". Please see below - although the errors seemed poetic in their own right
Miriam
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From: miriam hollis <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:41:22
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] meat eating obese heating up the planet . ..
birds, stones etc
This is all so typical of the blaming culture in which we live. Our impressions of people are based upon our assumptions. It is individualist. And created by a more sinister manipulation of what is acceptable in the society in which we live. It is also serves to make impotent political opposition. This is not conspiracy theory. Ythe so called "day cats" of industry and banking can be as obese as they like as we have been conditioned to see this as wealth in excess. We don't ask either category of obese sufferer how else they suffer - whether by diabetes, thyroid, compulsion, abuse or other threat to a sense of worth. Yet we are one as ok and even may give laughing approval yet the other can be the butt of ridicule.
Whilst tabloid papers and research fund hungry scientists chase the next research grant or reader we are diminished in our ability as a mass to observe the inequalities of power, opportunity, and worse, the proactive wealth hungry conscience lacking power political elite who care little. Or pay lip service to the destruction that they create - whether it is chemicals for mobile phone batteries in the DRC where it serves wealth glutpns to sustain civil unrest and pay a pittance, robbing the indigenous people of the rainforest of thru land and their heritage, and ourselves of our planetary lungs and source of medicine, whatever the wealth glutpns pursue we are all dispensible and that disposability needs scapegoats - and what better than the people for whom they create the problem
Miriam
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From: John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:05:43
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] meat eating obese heating up the planet . .
. birds, stones etc
Damning some and beatifying others too. One seems to trip over this absolutely everywhere in this area. Examples like the one in the guardian story below seem indicative of some very particular shibboleths which have become associated with a discourse of sin, sacrifice, penance in the area of CC. I'm not saying sacrifice might not be involved in addressing this issue but it is an interesting individualistic discourse which may serve more than one function and I wonder if it's always helpful. Especially when the scientific "facts" can be quite a bit more slippery and complicated. I just wanted to add that I found your previous posting really helpful and interesting David.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/13/ethicalliving-carbonfootprints <http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/13/ethicalliving-carbonfootprints> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/13/ethicalliving-carbonfootprints <http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/13/ethicalliving-carbonfootprints> >
On what feels like a almost a separate point have really got a great deal from Mark Burton's postings too. I agree with a lot of what the Manchester strategy is all about and its one of the first things I've read that really tries to go beyond simply a "local consumption is best" standpoint. One of the issues that may hamper discussions is a sense of considering things where many people's expertise is limited and perhaps that connects in some way to the paragraph above. For those who are interested I think this I think this article by Michael Specter in the New Yorker a while back was quite thought provoking.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/02/25/080225fa_fact_specter <http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/02/25/080225fa_fact_specter> <http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/02/25/080225fa_fact_specter <http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/02/25/080225fa_fact_specter> >
John McGowan
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From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > ] On Behalf Of Fryer, David
Sent: 23 April 2009 02:20
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Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] meat eating obese heating up the planet . . . birds, stones etc
The positioning of 'obese' people as not only to blame for the destruction of their own health but as also to blame for the destruction of the planet and everyone else too, surely counts as chillingly effective individualistic blaming of victims with one discursive stone?
David
P.S. An alternative reference is pasted in below for those unimpressed by the Sun's 'truthing' credentials ... the International Journal of Epidemiology (though the discursive production is much the same)
Population adiposity and climate change
Phil Edwards* and Ian Roberts
Department of Epidemiology and Population Health, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, London, UK.
* Corresponding author. Room 186, NPHIRU, Department of Epidemiology and Population Health, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, Keppel Street, London WC1E 7HT, UK. E-mail: [log in to unmask]
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Introduction
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Background The increasing global prevalence of overweight and obesity has serious implications for the environment, as well as for health. We estimate the impact on greenhouse gas emissions of increases in the population distribution of body mass index (BMI).
Methods We estimated the food energy required to maintain basal metabolic rate in two hypothetical adult populations using the Schofield equations for males and females. Additional greenhouse gas emissions due to higher fuel energy use for transporting a heavier population were estimated.
Results Compared with a normal population distribution of BMI, a population with 40% obese requires 19% more food energy for its total energy expenditure. Greenhouse gas emissions from food production and car travel due to increases in adiposity in a population of 1 billion are estimated to be between 0.4 Giga tonnes (GT) and 1.0 GT of carbon dioxide equivalents per year.
Conclusions The maintenance of a healthy BMI has important environmental benefits in terms of lower greenhouse gas emissions.
Keywords Climate, greenhouse effect, body mass index, obesity, overweight, food, transportation
Full article at: http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/dyp172v1 <http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/dyp172v1> <http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/dyp172v1 <http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/dyp172v1> >
From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > ] On Behalf Of richard pemberton
Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2009 10:29 PM
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Subject: Re: UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity
David
I would like to have my cake and it eat.
I presume David that you did not get to Australia on a bicycle. Your carbon footprint and your personal responsibility for it has surely to be part of the equation. Australians are also rather famous for their barbies. The Sun lead this week on how it was the meat eating obese that were the ones particularly heating up the planet.
The total over dominace of individualistic narratives and pathologies instead of social, power and justice discourses is very much part of the problem but this surely doesnt codemn all individualist or group narratives to a reactionary status. It is in my book as floored to say its all individual as it is to say its all societal?
Craig said so little his comment almost has the status of a projective test!
Richard
On 4/22/09, David Fryer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Charles,
Thanks for forwarding John's email to the list. It is an interestingly / problematically complex message discursively speaking ... which it might be useful to dismantle. John adopts a straightforward realist position saying e.g. that Craig is 'widely off the mark' for suggesting that 'climate change is an "idea" '. I think that this is to miss the Craig's point. The 'idea' issue is not whether or not the world is 'really' globally warming up ... rather the issue whether the interconnected set of ideas, practices, reports, policies, protocols etc which underpin the climate change claim and make it understandable, powerful etc. (the climate change discourse) serve 'vested interests' . . . . the ideologically problematic status quo, in one of its manifestations. To assert that climate change discourse serve reactionary interests is not to comment on whether or not climate change is 'real' or 'false' (i.e. whether or not it has been truthed through a set of social practices by which one is epistemologically impressed). Interestingly, John's message goes on to illustrate this serving of problematic interests. John appears to be passionately committed to addressing climate change and also appears to position the class stucture, international over-development, Thatcherist market societies, inequality etc. as responsible for climate change i.e. to have a radical political analysis. However, just below the surface, it is 'the basic psychology of middle class westerners' (identity, addiction, what we 'want' etc) which is positioned as responsible . . . in other words John defaults back to intra-psychic individualism. This statement of psychologism by John (not self identifying as a psychologist) , also illustrates the pervasive power of the psy-complex to depoliticise and endorse problematic ideologies. Here the climate change discourse is functioning, in an ideologically problematic way, to reinforce individualist psychologism .
David
Hi all,
I've been following the discussion regarding climate change with interest. I've also been forwarding on the emails to a friend who is not a member of the list (he's very interested in climate change - currently studying for a MSc in the area). Anyway, he replied to me and I thought I'd forwarded his email to the forum (he's aware of this and agreed for it to be forwarded on)....
Hey Charlie,
I find it very interesting indeed, personally speaking. Anthropogenic climate change is virtually beyond doubt - my MSc so far has given me a basic understanding of the complex scientific evidence linking man's greenhouse gases to a warming climate. So when Craig says below that climate change is an 'idea' and the climate is beyond the influence of humans, I'm afraid he's widely off the mark. Humans have now proved (quite by mistake) the extent to which we can influence something as inert as the global climate system! The global physical evidence of this is overwhelming. We've previously proved it with other aspects of the atmosphere (ozone, for example).
Climate change is a symptom of a malfunction of society; ironically, it appears that the main perpetrators are the most 'sane' members of the richest, most developed countries (i.e. the middle classes). I believe climate change is directly linked to the modes of living that free markets (laissez faire, capitalist economies - especially ones with the 'trickle-down' form of economics as championed by Thatcher) demand that we adopt. Our desire to buy and own more and more stuff from all over the world, to have limitless choice of products and services etc... The energy we've burned in aspiring to live this way has basically buggered us in a number of ways, climate change being a major one.
Here's the thing: In my view our 'happiness' and our identities are tied up in the stuff we do and own - whether we like it or not, as this is what the market requires. The stuff we do and own contributes hugely to climate change as most of it requires energy from burning fossil fuels. To alter this pattern involves fairly radical changes in the way we live - i'm not just talking about recycling etc, i mean questioning our consumption in the first place, why we feel the need to live in such a way. I believe that because a large part of our psychology is tied up in these goods and services, if we were to kerb/radically alter them, some fear exists as to what would be the outcome. We're kind of addicted to this way of living, but this way of living is bad for the planet.
The best solution to the problem of climate change requires us to use less - basically, we don't want to use less.
There are so many related issues here too - lots to do with inequality within and between countries.
I'm sure the list of psychological issues associated with modern industrial living is quite long!
From a work perspective, this is useful for me/us to be aware of and would be great to get more involved in - but if we were to become more involved in any substantial way going forward, we would have to charge for the time!! (They don't come much more capitalist than Capita!)
I personally think someone should commission a study looking at the links between basic psycology of middle class westerners/developed country inhabitants (or the markets) and anthropogenic climate change.
Anyway, i'd better get on with some work myself!
Cheers, John
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From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Burton [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 20 April 2009 16:11
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Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity
But we have multiple roles - ciizens, workers, professionals, etc etc. Our specific professional expertise is to understnad the connections between thought, emotion, behaviour, ideology, the material world. OK so we do that in different flavours (clinical, comunity, educational, academic and hybrids of all) but surely the key is that we have a general exopertise that goes with our general social responsibility and our general stake-holderness (the capacity to be winners and losers).
I used to work with someone who claimed to be the last 'general psychologist'. Now I think I know what he meant.
If we stay within a narrow professional identity then CC and other big social problems do remain outside our remit.
We can uses the adage 'think global - act local' to help us approach this - but I'd be the one arguing for a biggish definition of the local.
> Miriam's comments are as ever well-informed and incisive, but we don't
> need to be psychologists to agree with them. Climate change is vitally
> important and we might usefully produce a statement of the kind Miriam
> proposes: it wouldn't (shouldn't!) take much effort. But overall I agree
> with Craig: we're perhaps better off focusing our energies on something
> that's both achievable and within our specific realm of professional
> expertise.
>
> J.
>
>
> miriam hollis wrote:
>> I think that, as Community Psychologists who are looking to have a
>> collective voice in the community/world which will have a constructive
>> impact upon the issues which are negatively impacting upon the most
>> vulnerable, we have to have a very clear statement and intention when we
>> speak.
>>
>> Although my own view is that we are living in a western culture which is
>> now so avaricious and self interested that this seems to me to be
>> reflected in discussions about climate change. My kids ( now almost all
>> adults) long complained about the cycle rides to school in all weathers,
>> the walks to the nearest recycling banks, the trawling through charity
>> shops and jumble sales, and the long days on the allotments during their
>> end of primary school years. More so as we live in a neighbourhood which
>> is wanting to recreate community, yet is atypical in that they alternate
>> whether they get into his/her or the sons car to go to the newsagent,
>> and pop their newspapers into the back of the car for the recycling
>> trip. And it was always a mystery why the school Santa always forgot
>> that we were vegans.
>> Yet such is the nature of the society that we live in, that recycling
>> also became a source of shame: jumble sales and charity shops were a
>> source of humiliation ( until reclaimed in late teens), recycling was
>> "hippy", and even the teachers teased about the cycling to school. These
>> attitudes are ones which affect our client groups - the teasing of kids
>> in school as the haves and have nots make assumptions about status. For
>> them it may not be an option, and they don't necessary want to identify
>> themselves with this kind of lifestyle, because the very thing that they
>> want to do is reshape their sense of identity as poor or disadvantaged.
>>
>> On the other hand there are now the ructions between the
>> environmentalists and the open cast coal miners who are desparate to
>> reopen mines and have work.
>>
>> At this level the issues are so closely intertwined with social
>> economics, issues of self worth, prospects of social aspiration,
>> advantage/disadvatage, that from a distance it still looks like a
>> separatist debate.
>>
>> Climate change is one of the issues which reflect the power issues
>> prevalent in not only our society, but the world. Whilst we focus only
>> on issues of energy and sources of energy - we miss that it matters not
>> that as individuals we are buying locally, using energy efficiency,
>> ditching the car ( or buying that great looking new electric model),
>> consuming less and so forth. The major capitalist attitudes which have
>> their own self interests to serve are consuming more and more energy
>> without any Government sanctions of any note. New buildings are going up
>> without any Government legislation to insist that each new home is built
>> on energy efficient lines, with triple glazing, water conservation,
>> photvoltaic cells, solar panels, wind turbines. The only housing project
>> in my City which is totally self sufficinet in terms of energy ( and can
>> sell back to the local grid) were fought tooth and nail by their local
>> authority to prevent them from using a wind turbine.
>> When 90% of the wealth is in the hands of 10% of the people, the power
>> is in the hands of those 10% and so the initiatives to make the
>> population less dependent upon them for sources of anything whatsoever
>> will be resisted strongly. All energy supplies are provided by
>> organisations owned by the wealthiest in society. They have no intention
>> of allowing me or you to be energy efficient. Although we can try. We
>> can continue to do all that we can as individuals. However, we have to
>> understand that we have to be speaking out about the sources of power
>> within the society that ultimately prevents a shift in the way that the
>> world survives and all the people that live here have a better quality
>> of existance.
>>
>> If all of us were energy self sufficient - can you imagine towns and
>> cities not needing to pay for energy services? Some of us would love
>> that, feel great about it, the poorest would certainly be better off (
>> but they would probably get their benefits cut or the minimum wage cut
>> accordingly as these rates are set based on the minimum necessary to
>> sustain life).
>>
>> What we need to be looking at is: are we brave enough to come out and
>> say that the inequalities of wealth are contributing to climate change,
>> poverty, disadvantage, erroded confidence, poor mental health, global
>> inequality?
>>
>> If we are not, then the discussion might as well carry on at the pub.
>>
>> Miriam H
>>
>> > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:02:35 +0100
>> >
From: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> change - room for equality and diversity
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> > Actually I don't want to get distracted either. I'm actually quite
>> interested in people's thoughts on the quesitons I was trying to
>> formulate last night. Being sceptical about local consumption (which
>> even though something was grown down the road may have no extra value in
>> terms of emmissions), Transitions towns etc not the same as being
>> scepticl about climate change more generally.
>> >
>> > I am interested in hearing more from Craig too however as one of my
>> discomforts with this whol area is that is seems to become about a kind
>> of tribal penance.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >________________________________
>> >
>> >
From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Mark
>> Burton
>> > Sent: Sat 18/04/2009 10:03 AM
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> change - room for equality and diversity
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Before we get into a sterile debate about whether or not CC is
>> areality
>> > - here is a compilaion that debunks the supposed arguments that it
>> isn't
>> > really happening - or if it is it wasn't me (or SHell, Texaco, Coal)
>> guv.
>> >
>> http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/ <http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/> <http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/ <http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/> >
>> >
>> >
>> > John McGowan wrote:
>> > > Hi Craig, you've mentioned this a couple of times now and it would
>> be interesting to hear more about it. Both the notion that human
>> activity has limited influence over climate (I presume you might have
>> someone like Bjorn Lomborg
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg> > in mind?) and the kind
>> of vested interests crerading and plugging this concept might serve.
>> > >
>> > > John
>> > >
>> > >________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan,
>> Year/Academic Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological
>> Development, Canterbury Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road
>> Southborough Tunbridge Wells Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778
>> [log in to unmask] www.salomonscaspd.org.uk <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk> <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk> > <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/ <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/> <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/ <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/> > >
>> www.canterbury.ac.uk <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk> <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk> > <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/ <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/> <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/ <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/> > >
>> > >
>> > >________________________________
>> > >
>> > >
From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of
>> CRAIG NEWNES
>> > > Sent: Fri 17/04/2009 11:30 PM
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> change - room for equality and diversity
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Does ANYONE on the list understand that the "idea" of climate
>> change serves vested interests?
>> > > Craig
>> > >
>> > > --- On Fri, 17/4/09, John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
From: John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> change - room for equality and diversity
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 9:19 PM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > A little late to this. The prospect of a conference on these issues
>> sounds very
>> > > interesting. I'm genuinely curious as to the contribution
>> psychological
>> > > thinking can make in these areas. Had a look at the Manchester
>> website. It looks
>> > > as if it is quite conprehensive in some ways. It does however seem
>> to place
>> > > grerat faith in local production of commodities as a way of
>> reducing carbon
>> > > emmissions. This often seems quite questionable. My view of this is
>> a little
>> > > skewed I think by my local transition town group (Lewes in East
>> Sussex) who
>> > > basically seem to be a club of middle class people who really
>> struggle to say
>> > > anything relevant to the wider community and place all thier faith
>> in the notion
>> > > of local purchasing and a large (and incredibly widely publicised)
>> LETs scheme
>> > > which seems to have little demostrable value beyond novelty.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I also wonder about if a climate change adgenda with a social
>> justice one as
>> > > the two may not always be the most natural bedfellows. Obviously
>> the reality is
>> > > that poor people tend to get disproportionately screwed by climate
>> change but
>> > > the debate often tends to scapegoat them too (flying too much, or
>> shopping in
>> > > ASDA os whatever etc). It leaves me curious as to how, short of
>> taking a
>> > > completely dystopian view that the collapse of many familier
>> entities is
>> > > imminent, is is possible to involve wider communities in
>> initiatives relevant to
>> > > them. Especially in tough economic times wiere the low road to ASDA
>> may look
>> > > more attractive.
>> > >
>> > > There is a case to be made that a number of capitalist tools such
>> as managed
>> > > markets might have some controbution to make if the caps can be
>> brought low
>> > > enough. This kind of tool does seem to have had a powerful effect
>> on acid rain.
>> > >
>> > > Anyway, friday night and perhaps am not making much sense.
>> > >
>> > > John
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan,
>> Year/Academic
>> > > Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological Development,
>> Canterbury
>> > > Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road Southborough
>> Tunbridge Wells
>> > > Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778 [log in to unmask]
>> > > www.salomonscaspd.org.uk <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk> <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk> > <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/ <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/> <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/ <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/> > > www.canterbury.ac.uk <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk> <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk> > <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/ <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/> <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/ <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/> > >
>> > >
>> > >________________________________
>> > >
>> > >
From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of
>> Annie Mitchell
>> > > Sent: Wed 15/04/2009 3:28 PM
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> change -
>> > > room for equality and diversity
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yes. Following though on this link, you can find
>> > >
>> > > in an interview reported on BBC home page, Ian Stewart from
>> University of
>> > > Plymouth School of Earth, Ocean and Environmental Science who
>> presented BBC
>> > > Earth: Climate Wars, saying stuff that surely should give us pause
>> as
>> > > (community) psychologists and get us thinking about our
>> role/contribution ( or
>> > > lack of so far) (I've cut and pasted):
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > If society is to make any progress on effectively dealing with
>> climate change
>> > > at a regional or global level, what is imperative is that ordinary
>> people help
>> > > build a political climate at grass-roots level that accepts the
>> problem exists
>> > > and demands some serious actions by business and government. For
>> me, that begins
>> > > with people accepting that there is no hiding place left in the
>> science - the
>> > > overwhelming consensus of the vast body of scientists that study
>> climate is that
>> > > the trends we are seeing in the air, the oceans and in our
>> ecosystems are
>> > > entirely consistent with the theory of global warming, while the
>> alternatives
>> > > offered by sceptical scientists - even the much heralded role of
>> the Sun - so
>> > > far fail that test.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Blaming scientific uncertainty is now not an option to delay
>> action. Sure,
>> > > actions by individuals can make a difference, but real progress
>> will only come
>> > > when individuals come together with a strong, common voice to
>> demand that
>> > > rhetoric turns into regulation. And that's where I see my role - in
>> > > convincing ordinary folk that this is an issue that they should
>> care about, not
>> > > because it will affect them but, more insidiously, it will be their
>> legacy to
>> > > their kids and grandkids.
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > PROGRAMME INFO:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > · Network Radio
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/radio/wk38/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/radio/wk38/> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/radio/wk38/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/radio/wk38/> > >
>> > >
>> > > · Nations
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/nations/index.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/nations/index.shtml> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/nations/index.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/nations/index.shtml> > >
>> > >
>> > > · Feature Films
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/films/index.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/films/index.shtml> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/films/index.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/films/index.shtml> > >
>> > >
>> > > · The Week's Guests
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/guests/index.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/guests/index.shtml> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/guests/index.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/guests/index.shtml> > >
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>> > > NETWORK TV
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > > · Week 3 (17-23 Jan)
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk3/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk3/> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk3/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk3/> > >
>> > >
>> > > · Week 2 (10-16 Jan)
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk2/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk2/> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk2/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk2/> > >
>> > >
>> > > · Week 1 (3-9 Jan)
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk1/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk1/> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk1/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2009/wk1/> > >
>> > >
>> > > · Week 52/53 (20 Dec-2 Jan)
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk52/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk52/> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk52/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk52/> > >
>> > >
>> > > · Week 51 (13-19 Dec)
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk51/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk51/> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk51/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk51/> > >
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>> > > NETWORK TV - FEATURES
>> > >
>> > > · Highlights of the week
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/index.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/index.shtml> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/index.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/index.shtml> > >
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>> > > · Earth - The Climate Wars Feature
>> > >
>> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/feature_earth.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/feature_earth.shtml> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/feature_earth.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/feature_earth.shtml> > >
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>> > > · Tess Of The D'Urbervilles Feature
>> > > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/feature_tess.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/feature_tess.shtml> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/feature_tess.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk38/feature_tess.shtml> > >
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From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
>> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > ] On Behalf Of richard
>> pemberton
>> > > Sent: 15 April 2009 14:33
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> change -
>> > > room for equality and diversity
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Don't offset - sandbag
>> > >
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>> > > - sandbag.org.uk <http://sandbag.org.uk/ <http://sandbag.org.uk/> <http://sandbag.org.uk/ <http://sandbag.org.uk/> > > <http://sandbag.org.uk/ <http://sandbag.org.uk/> <http://sandbag.org.uk/ <http://sandbag.org.uk/> > > - Make a real difference
>> in
>> > > the battle against climate change.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Richard
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 4/15/09, CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The "idea" of climate change is indeed promoted by individual
>> action
>> > > with vested interest (selling tropical plants in Halifax, anyone).
>> But
>> > > "climate change" happens in cycles far removed from human
>> endeavour.
>> > > The climate is way beyond human control or influence - unlike
>> newspaper articles
>> > > which are wriiten by over-excited "experts" getting their slice of
>> > > cake.
>> > >
>> > > Craig
>> > >
>> > > --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
From: David Fryer <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> change -
>> > > room for equality and diversity
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 11:53 PM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi Craig,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Obvious but ... to assert that destructive climate change has been
>> brought
>> > > about by the behaviours (or actions as I prefer prefer) of
>> individual people
>> > > and that it can be reversed or prevented from getting even worse by
>> > > psychologists changing the behaviour or action of individual people
>> one at a
>> > > time, as 'institutional' psychologists do, even if they were
>> effective
>> > > in doing so which, as you say, is not the case, is not only silly
>> but hugely
>> > > problematic at practical, theoretical and ideological levels. That
>> needs
>> > > pointing out ... but we claim as 'community' psychologists to know
>> > > something about less problematic ways of deploying psychology. So
>> why not do
>> > > both through a uk ccp climate change initiative? No point in
>> pointing at the
>> > > mainstream acritical institutional psychologists saying 'told you
>> so' as
>> > > the water covers all our heads?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > By the way I am not sure psychologists need to know a lot about
>> behaviour
>> > > change to be complicit in it happening ... the roles of psychology
>> in
>> > > governmentality and control of behaviour / action) have been pretty
>> persuasively
>> > > spelled out by Foucault and Rose in my view.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > David
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >________________________________
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
From: CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 23:01:19
>> > > Subject: Re: UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for
>> equality and
>> > > diversity
>> > >
>> > > David, Psychologists know FUCK ALL about behaviour change. As you
>> know, it just
>> > > happens, and we don't know why (even if you were to believe in the
>> rather
>> > > silly concept of "why"). To claim they know might give them 5
>> minutes
>> > > of fame but, hey, look what just happened to "financial experts"
>> > >
>> > > Cx
>> > >
>> > > --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
From: Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> change -
>> > > room for equality and diversity
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:56 PM
>> > >
>> > > Hi Craig, I agree that any achieved progressive change would be
>> wonderful
>> > > and worth more than any number of futile gestures. I agree that any
>> small
>> > > achievable change re psy complex tyranny would be really worthwhile
>> but think
>> > > any small achievable change re climate change would be worthwhile
>> too (both may
>> > > be possible simultaneously given some psy-complexperimenters'
>> insistence
>> > > that climate change can be addressed through behaviour change) - we
>> would not
>> > > need to address the whole problem of climate change (or psycomplex
>> tyranny) in
>> > > order to achieve something worthwhile? However there seems to be
>> enthusiasm
>> > > on the list to see what we can offer distinctively as community
>> critical
>> > > psychologists in relation to climate change so why not go for that
>> as a
>> > > starting place? David________________________________
From: The UK
>> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG NEWNES
>> Sent: Tue
>> > > 14/04/2009 22:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re:
>> UKCP
>> > > Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and
>> diversity
>> > > Some time ago I suggested that the list considers putting effort
>> (not talk)
>> > > into ONE small achievable change. Climate Change seems a little -
>> er - big and
>> > > way outside of human, let alone Community Psychology control. It's
>> not as if
>> > > there aren't countless groups protesting, marching, publicly
>> debating the
>> > > economics of American and post-industrial exploitation etc, etc.
>> Agreeing on ONE
>> > > focus does not take away from the need to address process, mutual
>> respect and
>> > > so on but it might make a small difference -
>> > > to us and the wider community. We could, for example, as a group
>> voacalise
>> > > the need for a ban on psychiatric and psychological diagnoses. We
>> could fight
>> > > for ONE example of the PSYcomplex's tyranny to be overturned -
>> e.g., there
>> > > is a case in Holland of parents trying to have their son killed
>> (euthanased) on
>> > > the basis he is diagnosed with ADHD - this has been in the courts
>> for three
>> > > years and has yet to appear in the UK press. In a way, it doesn't
>> matter
>> > > which target we aim at, as long as it is achievable. After all
>> cling film was
>> > > originally designed exclusively for the Apollo missions - and now
>> it's
>> > > taken over the world. Craig --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer
>> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: David Fryer
>> > > <[log in to unmask]> Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP
>> Conference
>> > > addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity To:
>> > > [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:36
>> AM
>> > >
>> > > Dear Jacqui I will reply separately to the two issues so
>> > > they have different subject lines for ongoing discussion In case
>> > > it was not clear I agree that equality and diversity are absolutely
>> key issues
>> > > in relation to climate change and would hope and expect that they
>> would be
>> > > addressed either directly or indirectly in all conference debates.
>> But I am
>> > > suggesting we try to focus debate at our conferences rather more in
>> the future
>> > > than in the past. I suggest a community critical conference
>> focusing on climate
>> > > change which addressed issues of equality, diversity,
>> participation, power,
>> > > ideology, praxis, poverty in relation to climate change would be
>> exciting and
>> > > potentially more productive re leading to action than our meetings
>> have tended
>> > > to be recently. I think a title directing people to the focal issue
>> of climate
>> > > change from a community critical perspective and some fairly tight
>> reviewing of
>> > > submissions could help produce a more
>> > > focused and more effective conference whilst still making room for
>> all.
>> > > Of course we will all have ideas and it will be the conference
>> organisers
>> > > ... Annie, Lisa and their colleagues who should decide on what form
>> the
>> > > conference takes if they decide they are going to proceed but I
>> took Annie to
>> > > request list people to contribute their ideas etc so am glad you
>> and I are
>> > > doing so Since my earlier message I heard of a conference which
>> > > may also be of interest not so much because many of us will be able
>> to present
>> > > actually or virtually but because it illustrates a different and
>> interesting
>> > > way of tackling the issues SIXTH INTERNATIONAL
>> > > CONFERENCE ON ENVIRONMENTAL, CULTURAL, ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL
>> SUSTAINABILITY
>> > > University of Cuenca, Ecuador 5-7 January 2010
>> > > http://www.SustainabilityConference.com <http://www.SustainabilityConference.com> <http://www.SustainabilityConference.com <http://www.SustainabilityConference.com> > <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/ <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/ <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> > >
>> <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/ <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/ <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> > >
>> > > <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/ <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/ <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> > >
>> > > <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/ <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/ <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> > > best wishes,
>> > > David
>> > >________________________________
From: jacqui lovell
>> > > <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 5:01:29 Subject: Re: UKCP Conference
>> > > addressing climate change from a community critical standpoint?
>> > > "tetchy" David, I prefer to think that from the frustration comes
>> the
>> > > growth! I agree with David that a focus may be good but can we
>> > > leave room for equality and diversity in this as well please Annie,
>> I like your
>> > > original title, "equality, sustainability and community well-being"
>> > > as this has room for all. Jac
>> > >________________________________ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:45:58
>> > > +0000
From: [log in to unmask] Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
>> > > UKCP Conference addressing climate change from a community critical
>> standpoint?
>> > > To: [log in to unmask] Dear Annie,
>> > > I think your tentative suggestion of the UKCP Conference
>> > > addressing climate change from a community critical standpoint is
>> really
>> > > valuable. We seem to have got into a pattern of organising our
>> conferences to
>> > > be as wide in topic as possible so that anyone interested in CP
>> could present
>> > > whatever they are doing. That is well intentioned but leads to very
>> general
>> > > conference conference reflected in all inclusive titles (even
>> 'Equality,
>> > > Sustainability and Community Well-Being' verges on that). That has
>> been OK
>> > > up to a point but we have had some rather unfocused and sometimes
>> defensive or
>> > > even tetchy meetings. I think it is worth trying a different tack.
>> I think
>> > > going for a specific focused problem such as climate change,
>> ensuring it is
>> > > addressed searchingly from a community critical psychology
>> perspective, and
>> > > designing it from the start to be ecologically sound in process
>> (e.g. reducing
>> > > its carbon footprint) and action oriented in outcome, would be
>> good. In line
>> > > with our approach, this can be
>> > > inclusive in the sense that people need not be experts in climate
>> change to
>> > > contribute but can apply whatever experience, interests and skills
>> they have to
>> > > climate change issues. For example there has been a lot of interest
>> in the NHS
>> > > and 'the market' on this list lately and some might like to think
>> about
>> > > how the NHS and/or market are related to climate change. Others
>> might be
>> > > interested in interrelations between poverty and climate change ...
>> you might
>> > > remember that Cathy McCormack talked to us at one conference about
>> radical
>> > > tenants' activism in relation to damp housing, health and mental
>> health
>> > > which also addressed climate changes (the poorest in Glasgow were
>> spending
>> > > massive proportions of their inadequate benefit to heat the sky yet
>> shivering
>> > > and suffering damp related illness and misery. Others with
>> participatory working
>> > > skills might like to think how to deploy them re climate change.
>> Others can
>> > > develop effective praxis in related to
>> > > climate change. Others can critique the discipline of psychology in
>> relation
>> > > to climate change etc. I think there is a lot of important
>> international
>> > > lessons to learn. For example Trisha Conway taught me recently that
>> middle
>> > > class climate change activists have much to learn from the US
>> environmental
>> > > justice movement within which poor Americans, often black, have
>> collectively
>> > > fearlessly challenged the (re) location of their communities in
>> ecologically
>> > > toxic sites. I strongly support you in thinking about hosting
>> > > the next CP conference in Devon in Spring 2010 but when you are
>> thinking about
>> > > dates please remember the III International Conference on Community
>> Psychology
>> > > will be held in Puebla, México, from 3rd to 5th June 2010 please
>> try to avoid
>> > > a clash of dates as some - including me - might want to attend
>> both. Just
>> > > before or just after would be great (for me) David
>> > >________________________________
From: Annie
>> > > Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> To:
>> > > [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009
>> 18:45:25
>> > > Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
>> > > market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL Dear David and all,
>> > > Seems unlikely to be a co-incidence, as you say - frustrating
>> process and v
>> > > unsettling as you say re mainstream academic and applied psychology
>> uncritical
>> > > position re climate change - and it sounds from what you say that
>> the latest
>> > > planned BPS event will, true to current BPS form, be pretty
>> uncritical...be
>> > > great if we as community psychologists could assemble a more
>> critical take
>> > > (beyond " large scale behaviour change projects" ), that puts
>> together
>> > > the social inequalities agenda, along with the climate change/peak
>> oil issue
>> > > and economic collapse ( linking perhaps with some of the more
>> critical medics
>> > > who are writing on this topic using public health arguments as
>> their way in) . I
>> > > thought
>> > > that mark's essay on the site he posted us to came the closest yet
>> of
>> > > anything I;ve read to do that - ( do read it everyone who is
>> interested in this
>> > > debate!); also there is a good chapter on this in Richard
>> Wilkinson's/
>> > > kate Picket's Spirit Level isnt there . A community psych
>> > > conference might be a good way to take a more critical stance...
>> lisa thorne
>> > > and i are hoping to be able to announce via this list by end of
>> April that we
>> > > would be willing and able to host next conference in Devon spring
>> 2010, but we
>> > > are still not certain ... meantime, at this pre-planning stage -
>> any comments
>> > > re whether this would make a good conference theme very welcome.:
>> we are
>> > > thinking so far something along the lines of "equality,
>> sustainability
>> > > and community well-being". Good wishes, Annie
>> > >________________________________________
From: The UK
>> > > Community Psychology Discussion List
>> [[log in to unmask]] On
>> > > Behalf Of
>> > > David Fryer [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 10 April 2009 11:31
>> > > To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
>> thanks
>> > > Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY
>> 30 APRIL
>> > > Dear Annie and everyone on this list, Annie wrote
>> > > "I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a "high
>> > > level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't happen for
>> > > some reason ( unexplained)." Here is an explanation. There
>> > > are two parts to the explanation. After consulting people who
>> > > had been elected Fellows of the BPS (collectively sometimes known
>> as 'The
>> > > College of Fellows') the Committee of the College of Fellows of the
>> BPS, of
>> > > which I was a member and then Chairperson, decided to address a
>> series of
>> > > issues identified by Fellows as important. The first of these was a
>> day
>> > > conference on community psychology. This was held in London. Half
>> of the day
>> > > involved presentations by Ed Cairns
>> > > (Northern Ireland), Serdar Degirmencioglu (Turkey), Reachout Mental
>> Health
>> > > Expressive Arts group (Scotland), Cathy McCormack (Scotland) and
>> me. The second
>> > > half was discussion. As you can tell it was critical in standpoint.
>> It was a
>> > > sell out. The second issue to be addressed was 'psychology and
>> climate
>> > > change'. Lots of effort went into planning this, a date was set and
>> Ian
>> > > Parker invited as Key Speaker and accepted. Ian was preparing his
>> talk which
>> > > promised to argue something along the lines that neo-liberal
>> manifestations of
>> > > capitalism required the rape of the planet and the exploitation of
>> its peoples
>> > > and psychology was complicit with the maintenance of the current
>> neo-liberal
>> > > status quo. Officers of the BPS then got in touch with the CoF and
>> told us that
>> > > the Society had decided to put a lot of resources and effort into a
>> big climate
>> > > change event, that the CoF climate change event could detract /
>> distract
>> > > attention from this /duplicate /
>> > > etc and asked if the CoF would go in with the bigger event instead
>> of doing
>> > > its own thing. After much agonising the CoF decided to do that but
>> only on
>> > > condition that the invitation issued to Ian Parker was honoured and
>> he spoke at
>> > > the bigger do. That was agreed at the time. See below. Note here
>> though that
>> > > shortly after this, the Society decided to reconsider if there was
>> a role for
>> > > the CoF and eventually decided there was not and to wind it up and
>> that has now
>> > > happened. As Chair of the CoF I had been asked to sit on a
>> > > Society Committee to develop the bigger Climate Change event. It
>> was made clear
>> > > at the first meeting that the new committee did not consider itself
>> bound by
>> > > the decision to invite Ian Parker to address the new conference and
>> decided not
>> > > to do so. There were quite a few meetings and a lot of work was
>> done. I was not
>> > > that happy with the discussions myself as it seemed to me to be
>> largely
>> > > acritical and individualistic.
>> > > Nevertheless I persisted in arguing for community psychology and
>> critical
>> > > inputs at the conference. Then out of the blue the BPS decided that
>> it was in
>> > > financial difficulties, that it needed to trim its activities and
>> suddenly the
>> > > climate change conference - even in its incipient conservative
>> version - was
>> > > put on the back burner. Even so the committee persisted and the
>> latest plans
>> > > are for a half day meeting maybe in October which will publicise
>> > > multi-disciplinary and multi-centred large scale behaviour change
>> projects
>> > > drawing on psychological research at the principle research centres
>> and then
>> > > give short presentations on contributions of health, counselling,
>> clinical,
>> > > organisational & community psychology I think there is
>> > > something very coincidental about two climate change conferences
>> being
>> > > cancelled. I also think there i something very unsettling about the
>> uncritical
>> > > position of mainstream psychology re climate change.
>> > > Psychology and climate change is at risk of becoming a middle class
>> hobby
>> > > horses concerned with getting people to recycle their claret
>> bottles. The
>> > > complicity of institutional psychology (including clinical
>> psychology) with the
>> > > preservation of the neo-liberal status quo which is hell bent on
>> exploitative
>> > > expansionism damaging people and ecosystems is not receiving the
>> critique it
>> > > requires. David________________________________
>> > >
From: Annie Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> To:
>> > > [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009
>> 8:15:05
>> > > Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
>> market-based
>> > > NHS - BY 30 APRIL thanks Mark excellent links. So great to read
>> > > what you are doing in Manchester. Here in Devon some of us are
>> involved in the
>> > > Transition Town movement. Working with others re climate change
>> > > surely should be now our top priority . It links with everything
>> community
>> > > psychology is about: challenging power and vested interests re
>> consumerism
>> > > and capitalism, bottom up political action, reducing social
>> inequalities
>> > > internationally as well as nationally, linking local l with global
>> concerns;
>> > > community well-being and resilience with sustainability etc etc;
>> not to mention
>> > > leaving a world behind so our grandchildren can live. It is very
>> > > disappointing how behind the times both academic and applied
>> psychology is on
>> > > this topic; I know there was a recent special issue in the
>> Psychologist
>> > > recently with a few good articles ( none very radical though) but
>> for example
>> > > almost every issue now of BMJ has climate change/ public health in
>> there
>> > > somewhere. I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a
>> > > "high level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't
>> > > happen for some reason ( unexplained) . Now - if I were less of
>> > > a luddite I guess this is the moment when I should turn to the new
>> technology
>> > > Grant has initiated for us, as there are at least 2 different
>> topics
>> > > budding off here: save our NHS ( can Sustainable Communities Act
>> help etc etc);
>> > > climate change action ( what could/shuld community psycholgists do
>> etc etc).
>> > > Annie________________________________________
>> > >
From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
>> > >
>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>> > > On Behalf Of Mark Burton
>> > > [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] Sent: 09
>> April
>> > > 2009 23:26 To:
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW:
>> Say no to
>> > > a market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL Thanks Annie Good to see you are
>> > > ative onclimate change - despite my recent attempts ther has been
>> almost zero
>> > > interest from the list on this and related topics. Anyway I'm quite
>> busy
>> > > on a couple of inititiatives
>> > > http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com/ <http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com/> <http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com/ <http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com/> > includes my latest
>> analysis
>> > > of th 'crisis' http://www.calltorealaction.wordpress.com/ <http://www.calltorealaction.wordpress.com/> <http://www.calltorealaction.wordpress.com/ <http://www.calltorealaction.wordpress.com/> >
>> > > Mark > further to my email below , here attached
>> > > for those who want to know more, > or who want to alert others, the
>> > > Local Works guide to the Sustainable > Communitities Act. >
>> > > > Annie > > >
>> > >________________________________________ >
From: The UK Community
>> > > Psychology Discussion List >
>> > >
>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>> > > On Behalf Of Annie Mitchell >
>> > > [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>> > > > Sent: 09 April 2009 22:31 > To:
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
>> - BY 30
>> > > > APRIL > > I wonder whether actions under the
>> > > umbrella of the new
>> > > Sustainable > Communitites Act may be medium/ long term helpful re
>> NHS (
>> > > and potentially > in other socially progressive ways too). >
>> > > > This Act is being described ( by some) as the biggest
>> constitutional
>> > > > change in UK for decades. > > I have been exploring it
>> > > because our local climate change organisations > in Devon are very
>> > > hopeful that it may assist with democratic grass roots > bottom up
>> change
>> > > towards dealing with/ mitigating the effects of climate > change
>> and
>> > > peak oil. I haven't fully got my head around it but I;ll do my
>> > > > best to explain as I understand it - and would be keen to have
>> comments
>> > > > from others - eg Mark -( I know you are active re climate change/
>> > > > chaos) ? - who know more than me: > > The general idea is
>> > > that the Act enables local authorities ( they can to > chose
>> whether
>> > > to opt in) to receive, consider and put forward for national >
>> > > consideration, locally prioritised suggestions from local
>> individuals or
>> > > > organisations about changes in central government legislation
>> that would,
>> > > > if enacted, help build more sustainable communitities ie enhance
>> , >
>> > > social, economic and environmental functioning . These local
>> suggestions >
>> > > will then go to a panel at central level, who will decide on
>> national
>> > > > priorities. Central government has a duty to reach agreement on
>> how to
>> > > > take ( some of) these forward; with a published action plan on
>> which
>> > > > central government may be held to account by the electorate. The
>> new bit
>> > > > here is the duty to reach agreement, so this is ( in theory
>> anyway) not
>> > > > just another empty consultative process. It's ( intended to be)
>> about
>> > > > medium and long term change from the bottom up. > >
>> > > The trick will be to suggest, in solidarity with others,
>> suggestions that
>> > > > can make a positive difference through
>> > > legislative changes. there are > many many pitfalls ( eg will local
>> > > grass roots suggestions simply tend to > promote the interests of
>> the
>> > > haves versus the have-nots?) but this is an > important Act, which
>> we
>> > > need to get our collective heads around.. This > will be an annual
>> process;
>> > > the first wave is happening now. > > Find out more from
>> > > Local Works, the campaigning organisation who have been > behind
>> the Act,
>> > > on http://www.localworks.org/ <http://www.localworks.org/> <http://www.localworks.org/ <http://www.localworks.org/> > > > Happy spring time, all ( at
>> > > least, to all in UK - happy times to others > elsewhere) . >
>> > > > Annie > > > > >
>> > >________________________________________ >
From: The UK Community
>> > > Psychology Discussion List >
>> > >
>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>> > > On Behalf Of Frederic Stansfield >
>> > >
>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>> > > > Sent: 09
>> > > April 2009 17:07 > To:
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
>> - BY 30
>> > > > APRIL > > I am not sure how to go forward on this.
>> > > > > Let's start by thinking how the NHS was originally set up.
>> > > It wasn't > totally a top down nationalised industry run from
>> > > Whitehall. In fact, much > of it was under the control of local
>> > > government. Westminster ran centrally > some parts of the NHS where
>> > > national strategic management was necessary > or, as in the case of
>> > > teaching hospitals, thought to be necessary. County > Councils ran
>> services
>> > > that needed to be provided over a fairly wide area > such as the
>> Ambulance
>> > > Service. But many local services, such as local > hospitals and the
>> > > management of GPs, where run by District Councils, under > the
>> powerful
>> > > guidance of a doctor who held the position
>> > > of Medical Health > Officer. The situation was rather more
>> complicated
>> > > because of varying > council repsonsibilities, e.g. many larger
>> towns
>> > > and cities were unitary > County Boroughs. But you will get the
>> idea.
>> > > The NHS was not a separate > bureaucracy, but an integral part of
>> > > British democracyin which > responsibility for each part of the
>> service
>> > > was devolved to the lowest > practical level (the European
>> principle of
>> > > "Subsiduarity"). And there were > professional advisers to
>> > > the decision-makers with sufficient power to stop > elected members
>> > > doing silly things through ignorance. > > The trouble was
>> > > that professionals didn't like to be accountable > (accountability
>> is
>> > > always uncomfortable!). The Tories used this to split > of the NHS
>> into
>> > > indirectly appointed authorities in the 1974 > re-organisation of
>> local
>> > > Government. Ever since, we have seen > accountability destroyed bit
>> by bit,
>> > > for instance by replacement of local > suthority nomination of
>> > > Health Authority members by Westminster patronage, > and then the
>> > > whole charade of private enterprise tendering. The result is > the
>> > > badly managed, over-centralised, unfit for purpose, poor value for
>> >
>> > > money, shambles that we have today. And the professional doctors
>> etc. who
>> > > > didn't like oversight by amateurs now find they have got much
>> much
>> > > worse. > > Come back to the current discussion. We are being
>> > > encouraged to > contribute to a consultation process on improving
>> > > market processes within > the NHS. But the idea of an NHS,
>> inherently
>> > > a public service, being > submitted to market forces is inherently
>> > > flawed. The whole mess is beyond > reform. It needs to be swept
>> > > away, as after World War 2 (although with > less compromise to
>> > > professional interests) and replaced by a structure > which, as
>> between
>> > > 1948 and 1974 but with
>> > > improvements, devolves > responsibilty for health services to
>> > > directly elected representatives at > the lowest possible level,
>> supported
>> > > by Medical Officers of Health > combining the role of professional
>> > > adviser and chief adminstrator. > > In the case of Community
>> > > Psychology, it is difficult to see why services > should not be
>> > > provided and administered in electoral units smaller than > the
>> current
>> > > English District Authorities. Clinical Psychology may not be >
>> devolvable
>> > > to quite such an extent, but all the same it could be locally > run
>> in the
>> > > vast majority of cases. > > If this seems silly, ask yourself why
>> > > the United Kingdom's National Health > Service is, I believe, the
>> > > third largest employer in the world (after > Indian Railways and
>> the
>> > > Chinese Army) when the United Kingdom is nothing > like the third
>> largest
>> > > country. Surely the answer is that other countries > think it is a
>> > > bad way to run a health service (most other Western > countries
>> > > use insurance based services with saftey nets). But will a >
>> > > Whitehall led consultation take such a glaringly obvious point on
>> board?
>> > > > You know the answer, don't you. > > If we want UK
>> > > health services brought back under democratic control, > wherever
>> > > possible under local government, the fundamental question is what >
>> > > actions will be effective towards this end. Is responding to a >
>> > > consultation process that will only act on answers already sharing
>> the >
>> > > bueaucrats' mistaken values such an action? > > Frederic
>> > > Stansfield > > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, CRAIG NEWNES
>> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> > > wrote: >
From: CRAIG NEWNES
>> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
>> - BY 30
>> > > > APRIL > To:
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 1:23 AM > > What a lovely
>> > > idea "choice" is - for marketeers > Craig >
>> > > > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, Wendy Franks
>> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>> > > >
From: Wendy Franks
>> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >
>> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
>> BY 30
>> > > > APRIL > To:
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 12:15 AM > > Hello all,
>> > > > > I'm not sure how exactly how to fit it into this argument,
>> > > but I'm going > to throw something in anyway, and hope someone who
>> > > knows more about it > (...Mark? Carolyn? others?) can help me out
>> with
>> > > the details. > > I'm learning a
>> > > bit about Boundary Critique at the moment, and am hoping to > find
>> > > it useful in developing some coherence for myself around >
>> > > participatory research. I wonder if it is helpful in this argument
>> too.
>> > > > As far as I can reasonably simplify it (always tricky to simplify
>> > > > something complex that you're in the early stages of grasping, so
>> > > sorry > about this), Boundary Critique enables us to take a
>> critical
>> > > position on > where/how/with whom we draw the boundaries around an
>> object
>> > > of discussion, > interest, study, etc. In a way, it reminds me a
>> bit
>> > > of quantum uncertainty > in physics (of which I also have a very,
>> very
>> > > tentative grasp!) - in that > - the way in which you choose to
>> measure a
>> > > phenomenon (as a wave or > particle for example) has an impact on
>> the
>> > > measurement you get. In this > case, we can make choices about
>> whether we
>> > > look at the NHS as though it is > a market, and make certain
>> > > judgements and claims about it on that basis. > Another of many
>> > > options is that we can also look at it as if it is a > service
>> > > (shock, horror!) that is, as John Cromby expressed it, something >
>> that is
>> > > there to care for, heal and if we could so imagine, even nurture >
>> us.
>> > > > > Each way of addressing the issue at hand is likely to produce
>> > > different > conclusions. Of the things that I find appealing about
>> > > Boundary Critique > (as described by Midgley, 2000, in 'Systemic
>> > > Intervention'), is the > recognition of the role of ethics and
>> > > values in informing the judgements > we make. > > I think
>> > > my point might be something like this: > Of course we can look at
>> > > everything we do as if it is in some way driven > by a market and
>> all the
>> > > stuff that gets exchanged in that market as > commodoties.
>> > > > Or we can choose to conceptualise all of those things in
>> different terms,
>> > > > and make
>> > > different judgements about them informed by other frameworks. >
>> > > > I think I'll leave it there for now. I'm only half way through
>> > > Midgley's > book, it's getting late, and I might get a bit unstuck!
>> > > > > Of course, it would be great for me if someone with a
>> > > better understanding > could suggest how Boundary Critique could
>> > > help with this argument. Always > good to have an idea of how
>> theory
>> > > works in practice. > > Thanks, > > Wendy
>> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John McGowan
>> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> > > wrote: >
From: John McGowan
>> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
>> - BY
>> > > 30 > APRIL > To:
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > Date: Wednesday, 8 April,
>> > > 2009, 9:58 PM > > > I clearly did an absolutely
>> > > rubbish job of trying say what I was trying to > say > about
>> > > markets. The gist of it was that marketisation of the NHS might not
>> > be a
>> > > > completely unalloyed evil and that "resisting it
>> > > absolutly" might be > going a bit far. I realise this view might
>> > > be a tough sell in this crowd > but > it's worth go. >
>> > > > Penny Priest came closest to what I was meaning I think when she
>> said
>> > > > mentioned > market corrections. I've been wondering lately if
>> > > markets (as opposed to > The > Market) are quite as bad as I
>> thought
>> > > they were in say 1985. For starters > we're all part of them. Every
>> > > time we by or choose somethine we're part > of a process of
>> > > compiling collective judgements on commodities or services > or >
>> > > innovations. This goes from which which care we drive, coffe we
>> drink ISP >
>> > > hosting the community psych
>> > > website or whatever. Some things flourish and > other >
>> > > things don't make the cut and often the way that gets decided is by
>> a
>> > > > bunch > of collective judgements saying one thing is more
>> > > suitable than another. > You may > not always think we get
>> > > it right (my wife would rather we used hot air > balloons >
>> > > instead of planes) but a lot of the time we do. All of these
>> activities >
>> > > are > basically are markets choosing one thing over another and
>> there is
>> > > quite a > bit > of literature on the conditions needed for them to
>> > > function well or badly. > > One of the features of the NHS is
>> > > that it has adopted certain market > principles > but is less
>> > > engaged with others. If two groups are tendering for a service > it
>> is
>> > > > possible to choose one group over another on the basis that
>> > > they're > cheaper > but the two basically selling the
>> > > same thing: whats recommended by
>> > > NICE. > We get > the cost control side but not the
>> > > innovation that would happen in a real > business. > >
>> > > The reason for using IAPT as an example (other than the special
>> feeling
>> > > > help > for it on this list) is that I think it is worth
>> > > appropriating commercial > language to point out that one way of
>> looking
>> > > at it is as a very poor > business > model. In some ways its
>> > > like if Lord Layard took over my local shop. > Implausibile and not
>> > > entirley reassuring given his record bu who knows > where >
>> > > this recession might lead. You can imagine how his plan would look.
>> >
>> > > > "We have good professional evidence that bread is a versatile
>> > > product and > will be very popular therfore that's what I will
>> > > sell. My advisors in the > baking industry assure me that the
>> trials
>> > > they've conducted will translate > into consumer demand".
>> > > > > At this point I'd be inclinded to
>> > > toddle along and ask a few obvious > questions: > Q: Don't you
>> > > think it might be worth selling other products? What about > milk
>> or
>> > > cheese? > A: As and when the evidence becomes available we will
>> consider
>> > > stocking > other > things, but my baking advisers point out
>> > > dairy products have been sold for > years > without RCT
>> > > evidence of consumer appeal. > > Q:You don't think this bread
>> > > thing is a passing fancy then? Surely there > is > evidence for
>> > > other things > A: The bulk of the evidence is mainly there for
>> bread
>> > > so that's the way > we're going. > > Q: I at
>> > > least fancy a few lentils or maybe some baked beans. > A: I am
>> convinded
>> > > that "third-wave" breads such as wholemeal and > multigrain can
>> > > address consumer demand in these areas. > > > I could
>> > > (and I'm sure you could) go on and on but I think that joke has >
>> > > gone too far already. In this
>> > > situation I could do one of two things. One > would > be
>> > > to go and get evidence for the saleability of beans, chocolate,
>> Cillit
>> > > > Bang, > Sepcial Brew or whatever else I fancied. this would
>> > > probably take a few > years. > The other (which ould take 5
>> > > minutes) would be to go to the shop down the > road >
>> > > along with most of the other people in my neighbourhood and watch
>> Lord L's
>> > > > shop close after a few days. > > My point is really
>> > > that in the NHS its difficult to go to the IAPT service > down
>> > > > the road beacuse there isn't one. If there was (and I'd be happy
>> > > to take > tenders for 173 million from users of this list) it might
>> just
>> > > turn out to > be > better. > > Its always
>> > > been difficult to get this sort of market aggregation of >
>> judgements
>> > > > in the NHS. Darzi's proposals might actually lead to some kind
>> effect
>> > > of > collective judgement around some
>> > > aspects of GP services (i.e. the surgery > with > rude staff
>> > > and a crappy appointment system may have to shape up). Making >
>> such
>> > > > judgements around competing variations on something like IAPT
>> would need
>> > > a > lot > of thought. I'm not for a moment trying to contend
>> > > that this is an ideal > solution but in the face of the NICE
>> guidelines
>> > > I'm wondering if we need > more not less of this. >
>> > > > Happy Easter > > John > >
>> > > >________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan,
>> >
>> > > Year/Academic > Director, Centre for Applied Social and
>> Psychological
>> > > Development, > Canterbury > Christchurch University, Salomons
>> > > Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge > Wells > Kent TN3 0TG
>> > > +44 (0)1892 507778
>> > > [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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>> > > >
>> > >________________________________ > >
From: The UK
>> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG > NEWNES
>> > > > Sent: Wed 08/04/2009 4:53 PM > To:
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
>> - BY
>> > > 30 > APRIL > > > Anyone with responsibility
>> > > for budgets in the NHS will recognize this red > herring before you
>> can
>> > > say, " THE NHS exists to subsidize Big Pharma and > its PSY
>> > > acolytes." For almost 20 years I defended a psy-budget against the
>> >
>> > > so-called overspend on GP drug budgets. In 2006 the drug budget in
>> >
>> > > Shropshire > was ?5M in the red so the budget managers were told
>> to, yet
>> > > again, cut > posts to > pay the bill. The NHS is already a
>> > > marketplace. Thank goodness that the > IAPT > scheme will
>> > > enable all these unemployed NHS staff to go to CBT therapists
>> > > > and - > er - get jobs as cleaners or whatever. >
>> > > Craig > > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John Cromby
>> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >
>> > > > >
From: John Cromby
>> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >
>> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
>> >
>> > > BY 30 APRIL > To:
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 4:40 PM > > > Our
>> > > health needs and social care needs have been thoroughly > distorted
>> by
>> > > > top-down policy imperatives and so-called 'evidence based
>> > > > practice', > and > consistently subordinated to budgetary
>> > > constraints that prioritise > the > fighting > of
>> > > neo-colonial wars. Meanwhile, on the home front the 'war on >
>> > > terror' > legitimates extensive and growing government spending
>> > > on > technologies to > monitor > and control us rather
>> > > than care for, heal or - dare I even say it > - nurture > us.
>> > > > Legitimate challenges to this insane situation, this situation >
>> > > structured by > an > insane rationality, are increasingly
>> > > portrayed as 'extremist'. > And, > consonant with its
>> > > own rational insanity, the reproduction of this > exploitative
>> > > > social order is to be achieved by any means that those in power >
>> > > imagine that > they can get away with. As of today, it seems that
>> this can
>> > > even > include > telling > lies about and excusing the
>> > > death of a bystander caught up in last > week's > anti-G20
>> > > demonstrations in London: Ian Tomlinson, who was beaten > and
>> pushed to
>> > > > the floor by the police, without provocation, just minutes before
>> > > > he died of a > heart attack. > > In this
>> > > rationally insane situation, insane
>> > > solutions to > manufactured problems > can gain a
>> > > superficial appeal. Marketisation of the NHS or social > care is
>> just
>> > > > such an insane solution. We should resist it absolutely. >
>> > > > J. > > > > > John McGowan
>> > > wrote: > > This is extremely interesting. Thank you so much for
>> > > sending it > to the > list. > > I've been
>> > > thinking recently however that perhaps an increase in > certain
>> kinds
>> > > marketisation might actually be a helpful in the > NHS. In some
>> > > > way > markets (i.e. aggregating the people's decisions about
>> > > alternative > business > models) could potentially provide an
>> > > alternative to the rigidity > of the NICE > guidelines. The Dazi
>> > > review tries to create a market of sorts > through, > nominally
>> > > > at least, prioritising choice. > > IAPT is potentially
>> > > quite a good example of where markets > might >
>> > > actually > help. I can't help feeling that if there was 173
>> > > million quid > available > and > the question of improving
>> > > return to (and retention within) work > was put out to > tender
>> > > some very innovative proposals (including some from members > of
>> this
>> > > > list) > might have come back. Perhaps they might even have
>> > > produced better > results > than > the plan
>> > > we've got! > > John McGowan > > > >
>> > >________________________________ > > > >
From: The UK
>> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of > Wendy >
>> > > Franks > > Sent: Tue 07/04/2009 9:23 PM > > To:
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > > > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
>> > > > BY 30 > APRIL > > > > > >
>> > > Hello all, > > In case you are not already receiving these
>> > > emails, here's an > opportunity to voice your objections. All the
>> > > best, Wendy > > > > > > > > >
>> > > >
From NHS Support Federation, a founder organisation of > Keep
>> > > Our NHS > Public > > NHS services are now to be provided
>> > > by a wide range of > organisations all > competing within a market.
>> > > The new Co-operation and Competition > Panel >
>> > > <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/ <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/> <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/ <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/> > > for NHS-funded services is to help >
>> > > deliver > the supposed benefits of competition. It will investigate
>> > > > potential breaches > of > the Principles and Rules >
>> > >
>> <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/Principle-and-rules-for-Cooperation-and-Competition.pdf <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/Principle-and-rules-for-Cooperation-and-Competition.pdf> <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/Principle-and-rules-for-Cooperation-and-Competition.pdf <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/Principle-and-rules-for-Cooperation-and-Competition.pdf> > >
>> > > > as defined by the Department of Health. It will also advise the
>> > > > Department of > Health and the foundation trust regulator
>> > > Monitor. The > Co-operation and > Competition Panel is a misnomer
>> > > as its
>> > > remit is weighted so > heavily in favour > of >
>> > > promoting competition, whilst neglecting the considerable benefits
>> >
>> > > of > cooperation. > > > > We need your help to
>> > > respond forcefully to the Panel's > current > consultation and
>> > > to lobby MPs. Please write a letter objecting to > the > imposition
>> > > > of competition and commercial values on the NHS and raising the >
>> > > crucial > questions listed below. Send your letter to the
>> Co-operation
>> > > and > Competition > Panel at the address below and a copy to your
>> MP.
>> > > > > > > Send to: Interim Guidelines Consultation, >
>> > > Cooperation and Competition > Panel, 1 Horse Guards Road, London,
>> > > SW1A 2HQ or email >
>> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>.
>> > > Respond by 30 April. > > > > Points to make: > >
>> > > > > 1. Will the panel ensure that the
>> > > alternative of a > publicly led service > is included in
>> > > consultations about future tenders? 2. Is > the duplication of >
>> > > services to produce choice a good use of resources which >
>> constitutes
>> > > economic > efficiency, especially given that the benefits of
>> > > competition in > healthcare > are > unproven (indeed Minster of
>> > > State Ben Bradshaw said that the "mix > of > competition and
>> > > co-operation in the NHS is a unique model in the > world")? >
>> > > 3. Will the tendering process be fair and > transparent, with no
>> > > discrimination > against NHS organisations in favour of either
>> > > commercial or > voluntary bodies > or > social
>> > > enterprises? 4. Will the public be consulted on an > ongoing basis
>> > > about > local tenders e.g. via local involvement networks (LINks)?
>> > > 5. > Will the panel > foster co-operation not only between
>> > > commissioners and providers, > but between
>> > > > providers, a hope expressed by Richard Taylor MP in a debate in
>> > > > Parliament on > 24 > February? > > > >
>> > > > > It is vital to protect and promote a publicly led NHS >
>> > > which has an ethos > which is truly patient-centred. We must insist
>> to the
>> > > Panel that > our > objections > to the notion of a health
>> > > service based on a competitive market > are widely > shared. With
>> > > your help we must ensure that our views are not > ignored. >
>> > > > > > You can see the consultation paper >
>> > > <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/consultation-paper.pdf <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/consultation-paper.pdf> <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/consultation-paper.pdf <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/consultation-paper.pdf> > > , the >
>> > > four > guidance documents which are the subject of the
>> consultation,
>> > > and > the response > template at >
>> > >
>> http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/reports-and-guidance/guidance-documents.html <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/reports-and-guidance/guidance-documents.html> <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/reports-and-guidance/guidance-documents.html <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/reports-and-guidance/guidance-documents.html> > .
>> > > > > > > > > Please send us copies of your letters or
>> > > emails. Thanks > for your help.
>> > > > > NHS Support Federation > > > > >
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