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From: Erik Drigsdahl <[log in to unmask]>
> Sorry if I missed to clarify the date of the Mass of the 'Invention of St.
Stephen' In this case it is, as John Briggs has pointed out, the 'Inventio
CORPORIS Sci Stephani' - celebrated on August 3rd. (as it is written in the
margin of the leaf).
since my ignorance of these liturgical matters is quite wonderfully complete,
i'm sure you are right, Erik, but i cannot make out "CORPORIS" anywhere on
that leaf:
http://www.neumann-walter.de/NW/November2007/27.11.07/33.jpg
the large rubric on the right hand side looks to me to read (with my Best
Guesses on the expansions of the abbreviations): "In[uent]i[o]** //
ue[n]tio[n]e // s[anc[t]i ste // ph[an]i p[ro]tho // m[arty]r"
(** i.e., the tilded "i" in the first line is an error --he started out with
the intention of abbreviating the whole of "Inventio" as just "Ini," but
changed his mind and expanded the last part of the word further, perhaps
because of the difference between "Inventio" and "Inventione" ??)
it surely is a question of the "Inventio CORPORIS," but without the body being
explicitly mentioned, as best i can see.
> According to the apparent 'original' contents of the leaf,
is it really your contention, Erik, that there have been substantial changes
in the *text* of the ms.??
>was there a Mass on the same or following day for St. Martha (without proper
music), after the feast of St. Peters Chains on August 1st .
> Martha was, however, celebrated on July 29th in medieval times (at least in
France, according to V. Leroquis: Les Sacramentaires et Missels).
we are, supposedly, dealing with an Italian ms. --though what that attribution
of provenance is based on is not clear; perhaps on this particular
peculiarity?
> The text on the 'back' of the leaf (the supposed recto side!)
i read the holes in the lower left corner
http://www.neumann-walter.de/NW/November2007/27.11.07/33.jpg
as being sewing holes.
which would make the side with the tonsured St. Stephen the recto, would it
not?
>has been almost entirely rewritten, and keen observers with
detective skills will be able to read some erased and bleaked lost original
text beneath when this picture is reversed:
> http://www.neumann-walter.de/NW/November2007/27.11.07/36.jpg
i'm afraid, to my tired old eyes and quite limited manuscriptural skills, i
have to agree with John B. here: those "erased" letters come from another
page.
though i disagree with him about their being "bleed throughs" from the verso
of the same leaf, since the "e"s are clearly not reversed, but right way
'round.
it looks like a question of a bleeding from the formerly facing page, to me.
> Even without basic knowledge of medieval music is it easy to see that there
not is any correlation between the notation and the words, - too much notes!
being even more Musicalogically Challenged than i am Liturgically (or
Manuscriptively) Challenged, i just assumed that the "extra" notes went with
the words/syllables beneath them --i.e., it would have sounded like "S....e...
// d...e..." etc. (with the .... indicating tonal variations on a single
letter/syllable).
c
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