Mike Mike Mike... it's very disheartening and offensive to hear someone
be so needlessly nasty and critical of a project that we've worked so
very hard on.
There is of course a better way of expressing your feelings about this.
A more mature and human way. See project http://www.pastthinking.com/
Reading your rant makes it very obvious you know very little about this
project and it's obvious your entire argument revolves around
advertising the not-so-impressive hoard.it app.
As I've mentioned before any mediocre developer can build a scraper and
API but what you're failing to realise is that there's so much more that
goes into building a museum product. For one thing hoard.it does not
address copyright issues and in reality that app wouldn't stand a chance
of ever becoming a real life application in the museum world. It's all
very easy to hack a few lines of code together and say "see? that wasn't
so hard".
I suggest you speak to the NMOLP team first, learn about the project
and find out how the money was spent before comparing it to Europeana
and claiming £2mil of taxpayers money was wasted on it. You want an API?
No problem, try and get copyright clearance from every single artists
and owner of the collections first, then we can build it.
Posting one-liners like "why?" on the MCG mailing list doesn't exactly
help us put your tax money to use, does it? The site is still in Beta
mode and there's plenty of room for improvement and we're more than
happy to hear your feedback so play nice and help us make this a good
product.
Giv
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>>> On 04/03/2009 at 11:38, in message
<[log in to unmask]>,
Mike Ellis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I'm with Frankie. Why?
http://electronicmuseum.org.uk/2009/03/04/creative-spaces-justwhy/
Mike Ellis
Professional Services Group
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-----Original Message-----
From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Tehmina Goskar
Sent: 04 March 2009 11:32
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: 'Creative Spaces'
I haven't had a chance to look at the site yet, but Tom has just
blogged about it:
http://www.pastthinking.com/
Best wishes,
Tehmina
2009/3/4 Looseley, Rhiannon <[log in to unmask]>:
> Further to Mike's email with the NPG webquests address, according to
the book mark that I got at the launch, the other webquests should be
here:
>
> BM - http://nmolp.britishmuseum.org/webquests
> NPG - http://www.npg.org.uk/webquests
> Tate - http://nmolp.tate.org.uk/webquests
> IWM - http://nmolp.iwm.org.uk/webquests
> Royal Armouries - http://nmolp.royalarmouries/org/webquests (doesn't
seem to be up yet)
> V&A http://nmolp.vam.ac.uk/webquests
> NHM - http://www.nhm.ac.uk/education/online-resources/webquests
> Sir John Soane's Museum - http://nmolp.soane.org.uk/webquests
> Wallace Collection - http://www.wallacecollection.org/nmolp/webquests
>
> I haven't had a chance to look at any of them yet though...
>
> Rhiannon
>
>
>
> Rhiannon Looseley
> e-Learning Officer (Web), Learning
> Museum of London
> 150 London Wall
> London. EC2Y 5HN
> Tel: 020 7814 5772
> Fax: 020 7600 1058
> Email: [log in to unmask]
> www.museumoflondon.org.uk
>
> Museum of London is changing. Visit www.museumoflondon.org.uk to find
out more.
> Explore how the Great Fire shaped the city
www.museumoflondon.org.uk/londonsburning
> Before printing, please think about the environment
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Mike Ellis
> Sent: 04 March 2009 11:00
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 'Creative Spaces'
>
> JO - Webquests here: http://www.npg.org.uk/webquests/
>
> Mike
>
> (incoming post / email about creative spaces any second now...)
>
>
>
> Mike Ellis
> Professional Services Group
>
> Eduserv
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Ottevanger, Jeremy
> Sent: 04 March 2009 10:38
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 'Creative Spaces'
>
> Well, I don't have the answers to these but at least we now have the
> questions! Thanks Tony. And it's true that if you're missing the
point
> then there's a problem for at least one user, and probably more.
> Personally I think I can see the point for myself as a user (not
that
> I've registered yet, before anyone checks), and I would generalise
that
> to an assumption that other users will too. I suppose lots of us
have
> had the advantage of hearing the idea explained in depth already, but
I
> think the home page is a perfectly clear call to action. So I guess
> we'll just have to see if it takes off, or which bits of it do.
>
> My own question relates to the WebQuests, since we've all heard
about
> them but I can't for the life of me find any. I know they're meant to
be
> elsewhere, not on Creative Spaces, but looking on the V&A, BM and
NHM
> sites I couln't find one. Help?
>
> Oh, and one other question. The subdomain prefixes (vna.nmolp.org,
> bm.nmolp.org etc) deserve a "why?" of their own.
>
> Cheers, Jeremy
>
>
>
> Jeremy Ottevanger
> Web Developer, Museum Systems Team
> Museum of London
> 46 Eagle Wharf Road
> London. N1 7ED
> Tel: 020 7410 2207
> Fax: 020 7600 1058
> Email: [log in to unmask]
> www.museumoflondon.org.uk
> Museum of London is changing. Visit www.museumoflondon.org.uk to find
out more.
> Explore how the Great Fire shaped the city
www.museumoflondon.org.uk/londonsburning
> Before printing, please think about the environment
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
> Tony Crockford
> Sent: 04 March 2009 10:22
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [MCG] 'Creative Spaces'
>
> On 4 Mar 2009, at 10:07, Ottevanger, Jeremy wrote:
>
>> Very constructive, Frankie. Care to elaborate on the question?
>
> I'd be inclined to agree with the 'Why?' part.
>
> The front page is very web 2.0, but it doesn't explain anything to
me.
>
> I'm not understanding the reason why I might engage with the site.
>
> technically it's obviously very clever, but I don't get it.
>
> What's in it for me?
>
> Who will use it? why will they use it?
>
> I'm reminded of the adage, "just because we can, doesn't mean we
> should".
>
> I'm sort of vaguely understanding the purpose, but it doesn't excite
me.
> I think I'd rather see collections assembled by experts than random
> collections thrown together by people playing with technology...
>
> Am I missing the point?
>
> (Obviously)
>
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