The argument as to why a repository is not the same thing as separate author pages is very, very pertinent to my own repository, for the opposite reasons to Ricky's situation, and of course there are many, many reasons which members of this list will be well aware of. Ian Stuart has raised two, and of course no-one has yet mentioned the potential for preservation through repositories.
I think that it would be better for both publishers and institutions, for us to generate staff pages as Ricky Rankin and Queen's University Belfast do, than to rely on all staff maintaining a personal page: some academics just don't, or if they do, they have so much freedom that the variation in quality and quantity of data (never mind any legal issues) does not reflect well on the institution or make for ease of use for our website visitors.
Wiley's policy does not seem to acknowledge this fact, nor indeed that it is through repository collections that publishers can build additional services (As Elsevier's Web of Knowledge is beginning to do) that tap into our open access metadata records.
The only logical step is to try to explain all this to Wiley and to try to convince them of the error of their ways...
Jen
Jenny Delasalle
E-Repositories Manager
Research & Innovation Unit
University of Warwick Library
Gibbet Hill Road
Coventry CV4 7AL
United Kingdom
Tel: (+44) (0) 24 765 75793
http://go.warwick.ac.uk/repositories
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Repositories discussion list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard Rankin
> Sent: 16 February 2009 16:37
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: John Wiley on RoMEO
>
> I think the problem I am having here is the definition of a
> individual academic website/'web space'. We try to store
> information once and reuse where possible.
>
> We have a number of schools where the staff web page is built
> completely on the fly Contact details come from HR
> Publication details from publications database Grant
> Information from Reasearch & Consultancy database Elements of
> their web page can reside almost anywhere
>
> Ricky
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Delasalle, Jenny [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 16 February 2009 16:04
> To: Richard Rankin; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: John Wiley on RoMEO
>
> Oh, but there's a world of difference. Otherwise, why are we
> not just leaving it to academics to put stuff on their
> websites where Google can index it, rather than spending all
> this energy on repositories?
>
> Jen
>
> Jenny Delasalle
> E-Repositories Manager
> Research & Innovation Unit
> University of Warwick Library
> Gibbet Hill Road
> Coventry CV4 7AL
> United Kingdom
> Tel: (+44) (0) 24 765 75793
> http://go.warwick.ac.uk/repositories
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Repositories discussion list
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Richard Rankin
> > Sent: 16 February 2009 15:54
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: John Wiley on RoMEO
> >
> > But it is also possible to build academics staff page automatically
> > using contents from IR - what's the difference
> >
> > Ricky
> > ______________________
> > Principal Analyst
> > Information Services
> > Queen's University Belfast
> >
> > tel: 02890 974824
> > fax: 02890 976586
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Repositories discussion list
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Sheppard, Nick
> > Sent: 16 February 2009 15:48
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: John Wiley on RoMEO
> >
> > I may be splitting hairs but would there be any difference if an
> > academic were to self-archive a copy of their Wiley paper
> on their own
> > web page and then I were to add a full metadata record in an IR and
> > link to it? Have I spotted a clever loop-hole or will
> Wiley's legal
> > eagles have thought of this?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Repositories discussion list
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Talat Chaudhri
> > Sent: 13 February 2009 14:09
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: John Wiley on RoMEO
> >
> > When this last happened to me, it was explained that RoMEO calls
> > publishers "green" if they allow the author to archive a
> copy on the
> > web, but there is no requirement for that to be in an IR or
> to allow a
> > repository manager to do it on their behalf. In my presonal
> opinion,
> > this is a potential failing of RoMEO's "green" definition,
> since for
> > all
> >
> > practical purposes repository managers want to know if a
> publisher is
> > "green" meaning "green for the purposes of institutional
> > repositories".
> > These are, after all, the people who mainly use RoMEO, although
> > clearly it's useful to direct one's authors to it as well.
> The current
> > definition is pretty much a fringe issue, in practice. I
> don't mean to
> > criticise the fantastic service that RoMEO provide, but the
> difference
> > is clearly an important one that needs to be clarified in all cases.
> >
> >
> > Talat Chaudhri
> >
> > Sheppard, Nick wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Already confused trying to steer a path through the labyrinthine
> > > copyright policies of assorted publishers I was even more
> so when I
> > > put John Wiley & Sons into RoMEO to discover that it is
> > apparently a
> > > green publisher that does not allow deposit in an institutional
> > > repository (apart from JASIST authors). Isn't this a
> rather unusual
> > > condition for a 'green' publisher?
> > >
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