Thanks for inspiring my further study of Indian Philosophy Mogg, particularly Samkhya, I'd say I was now a 'convert' to another paradigm, within the context of my interpretation of it anyhow. Still studying but have written this online essay

Just completed this essay on secular Indian Philosophy

http://network.kiamagic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Indian_Philosophy_(secular)

Not quite a scholarly paper but the stepping stone to one maybe. 

Steve   


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> Thanks Mogg,
> 
> Below is the link to Marco Pasi's "Theses de
> magia" in Newsletter Issue 20,
> since I would not pretend to speak for him. We met at the
> 2007 AAR
> conference in San Diego, and I was very impressed with his
> intense focus.
> 
> http://www.societasmagica.org/
> 
> The project Marco Pasi is engaged in, of defining the
> structure of this
> emerging Academic Field, is probably essential for a
> functional, long-lived
> program. Those of us who choose to participate in the
> dialogue will need to
> agree that specific definitions of terms for usage within
> that Field are
> vital to clear communication.
> 
> So rather than generalize usage of the terms
> "magic," "shamanism," and
> "Yoga," as I did in the previous post, I would
> engage in the dialogue from a
> hierarchical approach. So, for instance,
> "Esotericism" would be my
> word-of-choice as an overarching term/title for this
> emerging Academic
> Field. "Eastern Esotericism" and "Western
> Esotericism" would be sub-Fields;
> "Yoga" would be under "Eastern
> Esotericism," and "Magic" would be under
> "Western Esotericism."
> 
> But the important issue for me is that we not exclude
> specialists in Eastern
> Esotericism from a Societas Magica conference, for
> instance---because some
> of the practices equate phenomenologically.
> 
> And some practices were either a direct inheritance, or a
> mutual inheritance
> as you say, from Babylonia for instance---thanks for the
> query, and I do
> hope you'll read Marco's erudite article,
> 
> Kathryn
> 
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> 
> > Kathryn wrote:
> >
> > Thanks - and informative about MPs interesting
> position on magic. Does
> > he define "East".
> > I'm guessing the border between "east"
> and "west" have moved some since
> > classical times.
> > Would he say Persian is east or west?
> > I think you are right to refute what he says about
> India,  - IMO.
> > Although probably could do with more research -
> > India certainly shares the same astrological system as
> the classical
> > world and before that used the Babylonian -
> > Dice oracles are another area of easy accessible
> common ground -
> > The language of western magick, owes much to sanskrit
> number system and
> > discovery of zero.
> >
> >
> > bb/93
> >
> > Mogg
> >
> >
> > >
> > > For instance, the above post claims a legitimate
> voice on
> > > SASM through construing the idea/concept/practice
> of "magic" as both a
> > > Western and Eastern phenomenon. As solicited by
> the /Societas Magica/
> > > Newsletter #20, I hope to take the time to
> respond to Marco Pasi's
> > > wonderful and very useful article "Theses de
> magia" in that regard
> > > (since he suggests that academics should construe
> "magic" as only
> > > Western).
> > >
> > > A scholarly refutation of that, and assertion
> that the academic study
> > > of "magic" should include Eastern
> ideas/concepts/practices of it will
> > > take a good deal more time to compose, and might
> begin with Sir M.
> > > Monier-Williams' definition of
> "Yogin" which has been in accepted use
> > > for over 150 years, in /A Sanskrit-English
> Dictionary /(the edition
> > > I'm using is 2002)/. /One of these accepted
> definitions of "Yogin" is
> > > "a magician, conjurer."
> "Yogini" is "a female demon or any being
> > > endowed with magical power, a fairy, witch;
> sorceress." So scholarly
> > > conversations have their place, as do
> fully-constructed academic
> > > arguments.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kathryn
> > >
> > > Kathryn LaFevers Evans
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