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From: jbugslag <[log in to unmask]>
>> i can't think of another of Bernie's converti who was of such a high
level [as was Prince Henry of France].
>> can anyone else?
> Well, Christopher, I'm surprised that you didn't at least give an honourable
mention to Thibaut le Liberal, count of Chartres, who rated pretty highly with
Bernie.
i'm sure that Bernie valued all the notches on his crozier equally.
but thanks, Jim, you make my point.
mere Counts just don't count, compared to the son of one King and the brother
of another (to say nothing of being, on his mother's side, the great nephew of
Pope Calixtus II).
the effect of his conversion on his contemporaries was striking --Bernie's
secretary, Nichols of Clairvaux, wrote (in a letter) a glowing and dramatic
account of his entry into Clairvaux, presumably an event he himself witnessed
[RHGF, XVI, pp. 172-4].
when, after a mere two years, he was "elected" to the see or Beauvais it took
the efforts of Louis, Bernie, Peter the Venerable and Eugenius III to pry him
out of the Regular Life he had chosen. [see Constable, Letters of P.V., I, ##
145-6, 152-3; II, appendices, etc.]
at least a full generation later (after 1187) we have an ancedote of his brief
stay at Clairvaux telling us that Eugenius III had seen him there, washing
dishes (scutellas lavi), and that he spoke of this to Louis VII (as the King
was holding the stirrup of the Pope's horse) when they met at Dijon in March,
1147, using it as an exemplar of monastic/Cistercian Humility worth to be
followed.
and as late as the first quarter of the 13th c. Caesarius of Heisterbach
devoted a (short) chapter to Henry's conversion. [Dialogus miraculorum
(Cologne, 1851), I, p. 26. Distinctio Prima: De Conversione. Capitulum XIX. De
conversione Henrici germani Regis Franciae.]
now, while i haven't run down the sources --contemporary and later-- on Ct.
Theobald's conversion, i seriously doubt that they would have candle holding
status compared to what we have for Henry (and, should anyone know of another
source for the latter, i'd be grateful to hear of it).
From: John Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
> Christopher Crockett wrote:
>>Dodwell, C. R. and Peter Clemoes, eds. The Old English illustrated
Hexateuch: British Museum Cotton Claudius B. IV. Copenhagen, 1974. (Early
English manuscripts in facsimile, v. 18)
> But have you seen the price of the facsimile? An original might well be
cheaper...
actually, a couple of years ago i did find a copy for sale on The Innernets
for a mere $800 --but it seems to have sold and there is no longer one
available.
in any event, if flakey Brenda, our resident traumatized library scientist,
would just cooperate a bit on a few leaves (hey, i don't want *all* of them,
only selected images) from the BL copy they could well come to Indiana quite
cheaply.
and i'd be happy to reciprocate with replacement leaves from either of the
*two* copies of the facsimile which the I.U. library happens to have.
what could be fairer than that?
chances are The Trustees will never miss the originals.
nobody reads those old books anymore, anyway.
c
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