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Re: Re; Humor and not humor

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Willibald Ruch <[log in to unmask]>

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Humour-Research <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:11:39 +0100

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>Ah, the Big Question. Well, I'll have a go and learn a lot from 
>everyone's responses.
>
>To me, "humour" is a combination of emotion and thought experienced 
>by someone in response to a stimulus (which can be external or 
>self-generated -- eg a sudden thought/memory).  The 
>humour-experience can have various "flavours" or varieties.

Jessica:

this reminds me of your promise to write up these things. I would 
love to see a "list of flavors"; did you compile a comprehensive one 
meanwhile?

Best

WIlli

>Whether it occurs, and its type, is affected by both personological 
>and environmental factors, interacting with the nature of the 
>stimulus itself (which can be accidental, as well as deliberately 
>created/retailed). The medium of communication and the skill(or lack 
>of it) of the communicator also affect the experience (as in comic 
>acting or re-telling a joke well or badly).
>
>But, all the above skirts around defining the parameters of what 
>kind of experience the humour-experience is.  I agree that the 
>emotional part of it is (at least to some extent) the experience of 
>pleasure.  But to what extent?  That's why I raised the question as 
>to whether pleasantness has to dominate or outweigh negative or 
>painful experiences.  Maybe it just has to occur after the others or 
>be more long-lasting.
>
>Jessica
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "KENNETH CARPENTER" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [HUMOUR-RESEARCH] Re; Humor and not humor
>
>
>Jessica,
>
>Yes, I agree with all you say, but to me there is still a question 
>of definition. How much of a given catagory is humor?
>
>The actual sense or flash of haha or aha by the person experiencing 
>the "humor" is pleasant. Is that humor?
>Would you say that the other combining elements are not humor but 
>but a composite experience that includes humor . Or is humor the 
>combination of pleasant with neutral and/or unpleasant elements? 
>Bitter irony befalling a book character whom we are prepared to 
>oppose may be humor to a reader though certainly not to the 
>antagonist it befalls. Disgust humor may be funny because the 
>authority of the "ettiquette police" is attacked by the one enjoying 
>the humor. ie. the authority figure is pompous. The disgusting 
>"punch" element is funny just as a pie in the face is funny (but, of 
>course, repulsive).
>
>Is humor the whole thing: the unbalanced situation and the element 
>that brings it into a defused perspective to the recipient of the 
>pleasure?
>
>Ken
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Jessica Milner Davis <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:22:19 PM
>Subject: Re: Re; Humor and not humor
>
>Kenneth, would you agree to rephrase as "pleasant at least in part"?
>
>Bitter irony is still humour in my book, even if the cutting edge bites
>deep. Similarly for so-called "disgust humour". I'm not sure if the
>pleasantness needs to dominate, but it certainly can combine with
>non-pleasant emotions and thoughts.
>
>Jessica
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "KENNETH CARPENTER" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [HUMOUR-RESEARCH] Re; Humor and not humor
>
>
>Do you agree that if the experience is not pleasant then it is not humor?
>Ken
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: "Jim Lyttle, Ph..D." <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:04:04 PM
>Subject: Re: Re; Humor and not humor
>
>Tickling does not count as humor.
>
>A "humourous situation per se" is precisely what we aim to define.
>
>Although the quest is difficult, we all have a sense of what you meant
>when you referred to a "humorous situation per se" and that is
>precisely what we are here to define: not fun, not laughter, not
>thrills, not joy, not dendrite firings ...

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