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Re: Re; Humor and not humor

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KENNETH CARPENTER <[log in to unmask]>

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Humour-Research <[log in to unmask]>

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Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:28:05 -0800

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Thanks for your comments, Dino!

     You gave me an idea.

     Maybe, I'll make two or three drawn comic characters like the ones in my below cited paper. And do a storyboard (comic strip) in which they argue about what humor is. If I do, I'll send the storyboard to anyone on the list whom I paraphrase, and if they permit my expressing their thoughts in this way, I would add a thank you credit to each of their names and titles at the close of the episode. I might do an other episode that shows making the sketches and structuring the dialog. That would all be good information for aspiring animators. A trick would be to see how much solid information (and speculation) could be squeezed into that format.

     If I were to take on this project, it wouldn't be until after the Spring semester. I might casually collect some ideas it until then and then finish the story board to tape an episode in June. If the show comes out good enough, I might write it as a paper for eric.ed.gov. As you know, ERIC, the Educational Resource Information Center, is a repository for scholarly papers. (but mine manage to sneak in, too)

Ken






----- Original Message ----
From: Dino DiArtist <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 3:24:21 PM
Subject: Re: Re; Humor and not humor

Thanks for your comments, Ken!

I checked out your link and found it very interesting. Perhaps sometime you could post your TV shows on the internet.

Dino

Dino DiArtist
http://www.dinodiartist.com


--- On Fri, 12/5/08, KENNETH CARPENTER <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: KENNETH CARPENTER <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [HUMOUR-RESEARCH] Re; Humor and not humor
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:00 PM
> It triggers humor.
> 
>       I knew a couple of guys, who could do this kind of
> humor in my days when I did a bit of amateur acting. On
> several occasions over about ten years I would find myself
> in a variety show at a church. People were there to to enjoy
> fun with people they like. Their usually dignified friends
> go along with the humor. They realize that they are
> subjected to harmless but otherwise outrageous treatment,
> being made a spectacle of, among friends or people who
> won't judge them for their lack of dignity makes the
> reactions of the willing subjects funny.* Bib farm overalls
> are funny. They are automatic caricatures.
>  
>       The people who are subjects in the video are at the
> mercy of someone who is good at timing and milking jokes
> from the situation.
> 
> Speaking of caricatures, I really like the work displayed
> on Dino's website.
>    
>      * I wear bib overalls in my occasional local access
> television show called the The Cartoon Studio in My
> Headwhere, I talk to  people who want to become animators
> and demonstrate with drawing and animation. I'm not sure
> that anyone is actually watches it, but the activity puts me
> into a good humor.
> If anyone is interested, my paperWorking Papers for
> Scholarly Comics  is a free download. to get it, go to
> eric.ed.gov and search on Scholarly Comics.
> 
> Regards,
> Ken
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dino DiArtist <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 9:17:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Re; Humor and not humor
> 
> Faisal:
> 
> Thank you for your comments. I thought the video was
> relevant to a number of issues raised in this thread. I hope
> other researchers will watch it and comment.  I am curious
> about whether it provokes laughter and/or feelings of mirth
> and why. I originally found the video on a forum about
> caricature where several (but not all) members reported
> laughing at it. I viewed it twice and laughed both times and
> even laughed later thinking about it.
> 
> Cheers!
> Dino
> 
> 
> Dino DiArtist
> http://www.dinodiartist.com
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: [HUMOUR-RESEARCH] Re; Humor and not humor
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 7:22 AM
> > Dino, Humor Researchers,
> > 
> > I watched the video, this is what I would describe as
> > laughter by contagion or by suggestion. In animal
> behavior
> > there are two classes of motivation: priming and
> > homeostatic. Priming is more widely studied by far.
> > Contagion or suggestion is a prime example of priming
> in
> > humans, if you see what I mean!
> > To answer your question, is this humor? To you and me
> it
> > may be not, to the people experiencing it, it probably
> is.
> > After watching the video, I felt that the explanation
> of
> > humor must be simple and intuitive, not complex and
> > conditional, but I could be wrong.
> > 
> > Faisal Kadri
> > [log in to unmask]
> > 
> > 
> > Dino DiArtist wrote:
> > > So how would you apply your theory to the Comedy
> Barn
> > Video?
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Y4keqTV6w
> > > 
> > > Is this humor?
> > > Is there a twist or incongruity?
> > > Is that what causes the feeling of mirth?
> > > Do the four men feel pleasure?
> > > How would you measure pleasure?
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your comments!
> > > Dino
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dino DiArtist
> > > http://www.dinodiartist.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jim Lyttle
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > 
> > >  
> > >> From: Jim Lyttle
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> Subject: Re: [HUMOUR-RESEARCH] Re; Humor and
> not
> > humor
> > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 12:54 PM
> > >> This has seemed like a very helpful burst of
> > discussion.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Quoting KENNETH CARPENTER
> > <[log in to unmask]>:
> > >> 
> > >>    
> > >>> Yes, As I see it and as I said...
> > >>> 
> > >>> "Humor is a specific kind of
> enjoyable
> > >>>      
> > >> transformation from stressed    
> > >>> or unbalanced to relaxed, defused, or
> > >>>      
> > >> balanced." It is the result of a joke,
> > humorous
> > >> incident or something like that.
> > >>    
> > >>> - Not the same thing but an equally good
> use
> > of the
> > >>>      
> > >> term is the state you are in before or after
> the
> > >> transformation (bad humor/ good humor). Also
> one
> > can be in a
> > >> good humor when he/ she is feeling a sense
> that
> > life is
> > >> good.
> > >>    
> > >>> The "humor transformation"
> (event,
> > >>>      
> > >> experience) causes is a specific reaction or
> > series of
> > >> steps (that I am unable to list or even know
> > about) that
> > >> are different from other events that relieve
> or
> > destress. If
> > >> the humor transformation occurs to an
> individual,
> > I say
> > >> that that individual experiences humor. If
> > destressing or
> > >> deconfusing, while pleasurable, does not
> bring on
> > the
> > >> specific "haha" stps of humor
> > transformation then
> > >> it is not humor.
> > >>    
> > >>> Jim, sometimes I get an idea in my head
> and I
> > am
> > >>>      
> > >> pretty sure of it at the time. Such as at
> this
> > moment Then
> > >> after living a while longer my views evolve.
> I
> > really like
> > >> the wisdom and thoughtful comments made by
> you and
> > the
> > >> others on this list.  Your comments always
> put me
> > into a
> > >> good humor.
> > >>    
> > >>> Ken
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----
> > >>> From: Jim Lyttle
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:12:12
> AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: Re; Humor and not humor
> > >>> 
> > >>> The phrase "humor is" may sound
> like
> > >>>      
> > >> "humor is nothing but ..."    
> > >>> Naturally, I could not agree with that.
> > >>> 
> > >>> However, something akin to a
> transformation
> > (usually
> > >>>      
> > >> sudden) "from    
> > >>> confused to amused" seems to be a
> big
> > part of the
> > >>>      
> > >> appreciation of    
> > >>> humor, and the appreciation of humor is
> surely
> > a big
> > >>>      
> > >> part of the    
> > >>> phenomenon called humor.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Needless to say, there are probably many
> > examples of
> > >>>      
> > >> relief from    
> > >>> confusion that are not humorous ... is
> this
> > >>>      
> > >> transformation unique to    
> > >>> humor?
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Quoting KENNETH CARPENTER
> > <[log in to unmask]>:
> > >>> 
> > >>>      
> > >>>> I like Donald's analogy to fire
> and
> > that to a
> > >>>>        
> > >> cave with many shafts.    
> > >>>> To my thinking the main shaft refers
> to
> > what is
> > >>>>        
> > >> happening    
> > >>>> psychologically and physiologically
> at the
> > moment
> > >>>>        
> > >> humor is    
> > >>>> experienced.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Humor is a specific kind of enjoyable
> > >>>>        
> > >> transformation from stressed    
> > >>>> or unbalanced to relaxed, defused, or
> > balanced.
> > >>>>        
> > >> That is the main    
> > >>>> shaft of Donald's second
> metaphor. All
> > the
> > >>>>        
> > >> other things that we are    
> > >>>> discussing are aspects of the
> > >>>>        
> > >> "trigger" that causes the personal 
>  
> > >>>> occurance that I will call a humor
> > >>>>        
> > >> transformation.    
> > >>>> That said, the richness of humor is
> to be
> > found
> > >>>>        
> > >> in the variety and    
> > >>>> all other characteristics of  ways
> that
> > make the
> > >>>>        
> > >> transformation occur.
> > >>    
> > >>>> Does anyone agree?
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Ken
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----
> > >>>> From:
> "[log in to unmask]"
> > >>>>        
> > >> <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>    
> > >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008
> 6:45:29
> > PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re; Humor and not humor
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> As someone who is working to
> understand
> > and model
> > >>>>        
> > >> the dynamics
> > >>    
> > >>>> of humor, I appreciate that the
> matter is
> > complex
> > >>>>        
> > >> in one sense,
> > >>    
> > >>>> but simple in another.  How many
> things
> > can start
> > >>>>        
> > >> a fire and
> > >>    
> > >>>> yet fire, itself, is one thing?  How
> many
> > shades
> > >>>>        
> > >> of fire are
> > >>    
> > >>>> there and yet fire has one essence?
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Obviously, a simple firing pattern in
> the
> > brain is
> > >>>>        
> > >> not humor,
> > >>    
> > >>>> but it can tell us a lot about humor.
> 
> > Obviously
> > >>>>        
> > >> a single joke
> > >>    
> > >>>> is not humor, but it can tell us a
> lot
> > about
> > >>>>        
> > >> humor.
> > >>    
> > >>>> Humor does involve balance on a
> number of
> > levels,
> > >>>> physiologically, emotionally,
> logically,
> > etc.        
> > >> Humor may be a
> > >>    
> > >>>> synergistic process that involves a
> lot of
> > >>>>        
> > >> different responses,
> > >>    
> > >>>> simultaneously.  So far, we have
> found
> > entrances
> > >>>>        
> > >> to the various
> > >>    
> > >>>> levels, but we haven't gotten to
> the
> > main
> > >>>>        
> > >> shaft.
> > >>    
> > >>>> Donald
> > >>>> Casadonte
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>
> > ---------------------------------------------
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> MidOhio.Net
> > MailMan.
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