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Re: "freedom of religion"

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Roger Day <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

Date:

Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:33:03 +0000

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That's if it was in the "orginal" Aramaic. Oh, look, the Wiki [if you
believe that] says that it was originally written in Greek:

The Early Christian tradition attributes the Gospel to Matthew, one of
Jesus' disciples. [1][2][3] Beginning in the 18th century scholars
have increasingly questioned that traditional view, and today most
scholars agree Matthew did not write the Gospel which bears his
name.[4] Most contemporary scholars describe the author as an
anonymous Christian writing towards the end of the first century. [5]
The consensus view of the contemporary New Testament scholars is that
the Gospel was originally composed in Greek rather than being a
translation from Aramaic or Hebrew.[6] It is nearly universally agreed
among scholars that Matthew (and Luke) used Mark's narrative of Jesus'
life and death, plus the hypothetical Q document's record of Jesus'
sayings while the minority argue that Matthew was the first, Luke
expanded on Matthew and Mark is the conflation of Matthew and
Luke.[7][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew

So let me get this straight, the "lord's prayer" is based on the
witnessing of some obscure writer writing a 100 years after the event,
at a time when records and communications were virtually
un-operational? The provenance isn't looking good here. Jesus h
christ, the bible's worse than the wiki for believeability :-)

Roger

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Jon Corelis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> A little research indicates that no text of the "original" Aramaic
> version of the Lord's Prayer, as it might have been spoken by Jesus,
> exists:  the existing Aramaic text is from the Peshitta version of the
> new testament, which is written in a Syriac dialect of Aramaic and is
> itself considered by scholars itself to be a translation  from the
> Greek version of Matthew.  The version quoted in these emails seems to
> be one of several New-Age-ized versions which have been circulating in
> recent decades.  The literal translations of the Aramaic version which
> I've seen are actually quite close to the standard English versions.
>
> I'm not quoting sources here because anyone can find them on line in
> less time than it would take me to add them to this email.
>
> --
> ===============================================
>
>   Jon Corelis    http://jcorelis.googlepages.com/joncorelis
>
> ===============================================
>



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