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Re: Desdemona

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David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

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Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:32:38 +0100

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>Of course the original statement plus attacks on non-Japanese Haiku are the acts of an agent provocateur looking for a fight.<

Ken, this agent provocateur character, is that me? In which case, I'd
like to know who my bosses are, because they owe me years of back pay.



2008/10/13 Kenneth Wolman <[log in to unmask]>:
> Judy Prince wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, completely.
>> Stand-up, Barry?  Surely you jest.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>>
>>> More "hooks" available than ever before--why not use them.  Which
>>> reminds
>>> me of the border between stand-up comedy and performance art, along which
>>> I've been
>>> known to walk.
>>>
>>> Barry Alpert
>>>
>
> Of course the original statement plus attacks on non-Japanese Haiku are the
> acts of an agent provocateur looking for a fight.  Maybe they are themselves
> a form of performance art. That said, Barry's comments are provocative
> because of the weird line here that I gather David Antin also walks or
> walked: when are you performing and when are you doing stand-up Something?
>
> I had the experience--for it was that--yesterday of viewing (finally) an
> extremely odd documentary film called The Aristocrats.  Few people will
> admit to knowing the film or the joke itself.  In one version or another it
> probably is the dirtiest story ever told. For myself, an old friend of mine
> told me ONE version of The Aristocrats back in 1962.  It was tame compared
> to the joke as it's evolved over the years.  Nevertheless, I'm not sure how
> I got home.  Stand-up *and* performance art...both, I suppose.   The dancer
> and the dance?  I can't tell a joke to save myself but yesterday I heard/saw
> the joke told AS a joke and then, via other performers, as performance art.
>  I was particularly entranced by Sarah Silverman, an exquisitely beautiful
> young lady with a potty mouth that beggars description unless you quote her,
> which I will not.  She was reclining on a couch or loveseat like a Goya
> Maja--the posture was certainly not like Gilbert Gottfried's classic
> schtick-worthy foul but riotous delivery at the Friar's Club. Silverman was
> playing instead of just telling a dirty joke. She said the joke was about
> her and her family. "We ARE The Aristocrats." It ended with her whispering
> of an encounter with an old-time radio broadcaster, Joe Franklin, concluding
> with "And then he raped me." She went about as far from the original story
> as you could go--the one requirement for the story is to end with the words
> "The Aristocrats!" Instead her ending was both absurd and truly grotesque.
>
> So you tell me: when to schtick turn into performance art or shall the twain
> never meet?
>
> Ken
>
> --
> Ken Wolman      http://bestiaire.typepad.com
>  http://www.petsit.com/content317832.html
> -------------------
> "I have been watching you; you were there, unconcerned perhaps, but with a
> strange distraught air of someone forever expecting a great misfortune, in
> sunlight, in a beautiful garden."--Maurice Maeterlinck, Pelleas et Melisande
>



-- 
David Bircumshaw
Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk

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