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One place we might try is the ceremonial book of /Constantine/ VII
Porphyrogennetos.
Or even the Ordines Romani, for early texts. I tend to come at the
papal ceremonial from the late end of things, using Ahostino Patrizzi &
the later masters of ceremonies.
Tom Izbicki
Christopher Crockett wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> From: Tom Izbicki <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>> I suspect it would be worth looking to ceremonial from the East to determine
>>
> if the umbrella came from Constantinople.
>
>
> this is the kind of question that an article in Cabrol/Leclercq's Dictionnaire
> would easily (and definitively) answer.
>
> i'd go so far as to say that the answer is in those 20 vols, somewhere, but
> just can't think of which article might discuss it --there is no "Processions"
> article, per se.
>
> nor is there one on "Tintinabulum."
>
> if anyone has a suggestion as to where to look for suchlike processional
> accessories, i've got a copy near to hand.
>
>
> meanwhile....
>
> i see that the link which i sent to the Chartres badge containing the
> unidentifiable artifacts being caried in a procession,
>
> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/forgeais/forgeais4_115.jpg
>
> did not transmit to the list as it should have --if you're getting a "Not
> Found" error massage, join the "4_" part to the "115.jpg" to complete it or
> try
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5sfhvt
>
>
> i am now leaning towards seeing the objects being carried on either side of
> the image of the Virgin & Child on the litter as higly stylised Tintinabulae
> --the small size of the badge and utter lack of artistic resources on the part
> of the mould maker simply did not allow for any more detail in their
> presentation, but the shape is, generally, the right one and fits better than
> an interpretation as any kind of conopeum/ombelino/bumbershoot.
>
> clearly the procession which is being depicted on the badge is an important
> one, with the (major?) image of the Virgin being carried on a litter --other
> badge images, visible here
>
> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/newbadges.html
>
> show the reliquary containing the _sancta camisia_ of the Virgin being carried
> in the same(?) procession.
>
> am i correct in assuming that this would be a commemoration of *the* major
> feast of the Virgin --Assumption Day, perhaps?
>
>
> Note: Pippin Michelli's fine article, "A Gordian Knot: Notes on Chartres
> Pilgrim Badges", in _Perigrinations. Publication of the International Society
> for the Study of Pilgrimage Arts_ (I, ii, July 2002, pp. 2-4), can be found
> here http://peregrinations.kenyon.edu/vol1-2.pdf
>
> c
>
> ----- Original Message ------
> Received: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:10:50 PM EDT
> From: Tom Izbicki <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [M-R] saints of the day 21. October
>
>
>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>>
>> I suspect it would be worth looking to ceremonial from the East to
>> determine if the umbrella came from Constantinople.
>> Tom Izbicki
>>
>> Christopher Crockett wrote:
>>
>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>>>
>>> From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Note the papal colors on that bumbershoot. It's a _conopeum_ or
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _ombrellino_, the usual visible sign of a papal basilica.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> See (lower down) here:
>>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilique_religieuse
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> and here:
>>>> http://www.saintspeterandpaul.us/basilica.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>> well, Truth be Told, my lack of Expertise in the sub-specialty of
>>>
> Bumbershoot
>
>>> Iconography is only marginally greater than in that of Laptop History, so
>>>
> i
>
>>> suppose i'll have to accept your word for how suchlike artifacts should
>>>
> be
>
>>> properly nomenclatured.
>>>
>>> however, as to the colors, it seems that the b&w woodcut of the Chartres
>>> badge
>>>
>>> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/forgeais/forgeais4_ 115.jpg
>>>
>>> rather accurately the [lack of] polychromy on the original, which was in
>>> pewter.
>>>
>>> 12th-13th c. Chartres cathedral not being (to my knowledge) a Papal
>>>
> Basilica,
>
>>> my best guess is that some Papa or other simply stole the idea of using a
>>> Liturgical Bumbershoot as part of the Armes of suchlike a building.
>>>
>>> what struck me about the original German example on the page you quoted
>>>
> was
>
>>> its shape, which echoed somewhat the unusual form of the artifacts which
>>> appear on the Chartres badge.
>>>
>>> of course, the German one is in its Flacid/Non-Erect posture, presumably
>>>
> for
>
>>> interior viewing; while the one on the coats of armes which you indicated
>>> above are in the Full Upright, Erect & Ready-for-Action Mode.
>>>
>>> so, the question remains, why didn't the "artist" who created the figures
>>>
> on
>
>>> the Chartres artifact depict that mode --if, indeed, his spade-like
>>>
> Whatsits
>
>>> are even Bumbershoots at all-- since his objects are clearly an important
>>>
> part
>
>>> of the processional scene he's trying to represent?
>>>
>>>
>>> i note, with regret, that neither "conopeum" nor "ombrellino" rated an
>>>
> article
>
>>> in Cabrol-Leclercq's massive _Dictionnaire d'archeologie et de liturgie
>>> chretienne_; which is a great shame, since i'm sure that those guys could
>>>
> have
>
>>> Done a Number on the pre-Carolingian history of suchlike Thingies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A search for 'conopeum' in Google images will brings up several
>>>>
> examples.
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> as well it should.
>>>
>>> facinating stuff
>>>
>>> http://www.sms.si.edu/IRLSpec/Conope_seurat.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.marlin.ac.uk/species/Conopeumreticulum.htm
>>>
>>> ahhh... here's one being carried in the Non-Erect position
>>>
>>>
>>>
> http://lh4.ggpht.com/chris.ochoa/SB2bp1B7cFI/AAAAAAAAEBw/pG46ElwXM30/s720/DSCF2920.jpg
>
>>> or, perhaps, these ones don't really open up like Normal Bumbershoots and
>>>
> the
>
>>> ones on the Papal Basilican Armes are just overly-optimistic and
>>>
> suffering
>
>>> from Viagra posioning?
>>>
>>> butbut, no, Wait!
>>>
>>> the could the thingies on the badge be, not Bumbersooteums at all, but
>>>
> rather
>
>>> Tintinnabulae?
>>>
>>> yes, the Chartres artifacts
>>>
>>> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/forgeais/forgeais4_ 115.jpg
>>>
>>> do, indeed, closely resemble
>>>
>>> http://home.online.no/~araronse/Mycenakey/tintinnabulum.htm
>>>
>>> or even (less likely)
>>>
>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Tintinnabulum.jpg
>>>
>>> or some middlevil variant of the one on the left here
>>>
>>>
>>>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Procession_of_the_Precious_Blood_of_Jesus_Christ-Bruges;_het_conopeum.JPG
>
>>> this sort of Thingie,
>>>
>>> http://www.katholiek.org/pictures/tintinnabulum.jpg
>>>
>>> but without the sharp peak at the top.
>>>
>>> a liturgical bell, carried on a pole in processions.
>>>
>>> it it my Firm Belief that the Chartres Pilgrims' Badges, crude though
>>>
> they
>
>>> are, depicted scenes which would have been immediately recognizable --in
>>>
> all
>
>>> their details-- to anyone who had actually gone to the cathedral and
>>>
> witnessed
>
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> otOh, the images.google.com search also turned up this Looser
>>>
>>>
>>>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/images/20040617-4_012t2497-515h.jpg
>
>>> which suggests, unless i'm seriously misunderestimating it, that this
>>> Innernets Thingie is not quite perfected.
>>>
>>> yet.
>>>
>>> c
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:23 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [M-R] saints of the day 21. October
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>>>>>
> culture
>
>>>>> From: John Dillon <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Wendelin (d. later 6h or early 7th cent.?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In about 1050 _Basonis villare_, now St. Wendel in the Saarland,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> began to be
>>>>> called by the name of its saint. Its originally fourteenth-century
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> church
>>>
>>>
>>>>> dedicated to him houses his putative remains in a raised tomb
>>>>> (Hochgrab) that
>>>>> was dedicated in 1360. Some exterior views of the church:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Other interior views of the church, including (lower down on the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> page) views
>>>>> of the tomb, will be found here:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.sankt-wendelinus.de/index.php?id=196
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> listmembers cursed with exceptionally good memories may recall that
>>>>> the topic
>>>>> of Liturgical/Processional Umbrellas came up a couple of years ago --in
>>>>> connection with their appearance on at least one Pilgrims' Badge from
>>>>> Chartres.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/newbadges.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ariadne.org/cc/badges/forgeais/forgeais4_115.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> here's a nice one, which seems to echo the (somewhat unusual?) form of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Chartres exemplars:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sankt-wendelinus.de/typo3temp/pics/d7cbdb981a.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> an expandable view is available on the original page, near the bottom:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sankt-wendelinus.de/index.php?id=196
>>>>>
>>>>> keep in mind that the Chartres badge is quite small and, in quality,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> hardly
>>>
>>>
>>>>> "high" art --scale isn't really a consideration.
>>>>>
>>>>> anyway, they look more like bumbershoots than digging spades, if we
>>>>>
> have
>
>>>>> something to compare them to.
>>>>>
>>>>> c
>>>>>
>
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