I'm well aware of the relationshp btwn art and power, thank you, and
what passes for "culture" in this country.  Indeed, I'm surprised they
didn't have some clips of Shakespeare being recited on occasion to
illustrate the restoration of the chapel. Literature plays it's part
too. I wonder, Stratford as a Celebration of Money and Power.  No one
goes untainted. Not even the 'umble poets.

My argument with Prynne is with the hypocrisy of his pronouncements
and his disciples. And the rest of us are supposed to bow down thrice
at his coming. I suppose he is keeping some ideas alive, but maybe he
could keep them alive in lesser splendour? Yes Prynne's arguments are
considered - one might say rarefied - they bloody well should be given
the amount of leisure time that the old coot has got, wrapped up in
his ivory tower. Heh, never once did I see Prynne in a Cambridge
Starbucks!

Roger

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM, David Bircumshaw
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> We're all full of shit, Roger, 'bags of guts' I think the late Kenny
> Everret said.
>
> I esteem Prynne, but also argue with him, because I think it comes
> from considered opinion rather than hurt experience ( I rather like
> Ezra too, but have my arguments there as well!)
>
> On the radio at the moment they're burbling on about the restoration
> of the chapel at Windsor Castle, art, English Heritage, plasterers
> with Cockney accents, it's all there, culture super-writ, and the
> ordure of money hangs in the air.
>
> Handel clips as a background sound-track.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
> 2008/9/14 Roger Day <[log in to unmask]>:
>> I think the proms, originally, was a Good Thing; it could do with a
>> little tuning, a little more inclusiveness. It has only to do with the
>> celebration of Money if you look at it from the privileged and ancient
>> towers of a Seat of Learning in the Fens wherein you pretend to have
>> nothing to do with The Man. Or Money. Make's you wonder why he spent
>> all those years sucking off the public tit, to borrow Ken's phrase, if
>> he was such a "communist". Although maybe he's denying that now as
>> well. Meh. He's full of shit.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:46 AM, David Bircumshaw
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Yeah, Roger
>>>
>>> I think basically the Proms is a celebration of the Power of Money, I
>>> can agree with a lot of what Jeremy Prynne says, such as music is
>>> money, my disagreement is that he seems to come from the head rather
>>> than the heart, that's all.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> 2008/9/14 Roger Day <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>> I heard a lot of different accents at the Proms this week - Americans,
>>>> German, French. Quite a few American musicians. It is an international
>>>> festival, a rarity in the classical musical field.
>>>>
>>>> Not such why they want to attend the Last Night, though. I have a
>>>> feeling that the non-UK flags were there in the past as well.
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:29 AM, David Bircumshaw
>>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> it's a very interesting question, my dear Hon. Joodles. What I suspect
>>>>> is that it is a matter of the selling-power of a brand, so England/UK
>>>>> is one with a cachet (as is USA) therefore people respond to what
>>>>> they've been sold to believe in, which is image.
>>>>>
>>>>> what caught me was the fact that so many people razzling on this
>>>>> patriotic bean-feast weren't actually English, as well as William
>>>>> Blake's sudden knighthood, now one thing I know about WB is that he'd
>>>>> be turning in his grave about this!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pondering it all
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/9/13 Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>>>> At last a tiny hint of what the 'Proms' might be that R'Owl's been going on
>>>>>> about for a week.  So, Dave, what does it stand for, and what is it all
>>>>>> about?
>>>>>> Hon. Judith Balizs Prince
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2008/9/13 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apropos of things, I caught the end of our annual patriotic fest
>>>>>>> tonight, that is to say The Last Night of the Proms: among things that
>>>>>>> caught my attention was that among the Union Jacks and St George's
>>>>>>> Flags there were also a-waving Stars and Stripes, Russian Crosses, the
>>>>>>> Seven Sisters, a couple of Deutsch ensigns and even a Norwegian
>>>>>>> banner. How odd!.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even weirder the commentator described 'Jerusalem' as being written by
>>>>>>> 'Sir William Blake' (!!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> David Bircumshaw
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
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>>
>>
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>
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