Thanks George

Good idea to promote the IPCC, except for one thing - they are too tame; 
as they have to have all member governments on board, things get watered 
down (not just by the Americans and some of the oil producers, but the 
Chinese as well.)

And I believe there are some IPCC scientists amongst the sceptics.

I think we ought to point that out, so their demands seem like an 
absolute minimum

Chris

George Marshall wrote:

> Dear Chris and forum
>
> my ideas
>
> Personally I think that the IPCC should recognise the damage caused by 
> the deniers and not pretend that they have won the argument. There are 
> plenty of ways for the IPCC to engage with this issue without getting 
> into a head to head or denouncing the deniers (which plays to their 
> narrative of feisty seekers for truth). The primary way would be to 
> promote the IPCC in a way that makes is seem incontravertible.
>
> Start wth good public informatuion about the IPCC who is involved and 
> the scale of concensus. This is poorly communicate=  (for example, 
> there is not one piece of public material anywhere on the web 
> promoting the IPCC as an institution- talking about how it works- 
> there is no video at all)
>
> The IPCC claims 2,500 people involved but there is no list of them in 
> the public domain. If I was the IPCC I would have every one of them 
> listed and biog'd on a high profile website. Really the argument is: 
> do you want to believe one bloke you saw on the tv, or these. But the 
> scale must be made visible and real.
>
> And I would go beyond this and draw out some of those scientists as 
> individuals- have video clips or statements from them stating their 
> knowledge and concern.
>
> The IPCC should have their own marketing strategy. Look at what CERN 
> has done with the media in the past week because they have someone 
> savvy working with them People engage with stories and the IPPCC needs 
> to make one- "the largest scientific research project in history- 
> never before have more scientists come together...etc"
>
> I just looked at the IPCC website and the anniversary brochure of the 
> UNFCCC- they really are awful and worse than useless actually, because 
> their style and the message they convey speaks of elites and power, 
> not urgency and struggle. Look at the front page 
> http://www.ipcc.ch/index.htm and it's got a bloody palace on the 
> front. It looks like a luxury hotel brochure.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> CHRIS KEENE wrote:
>
>> Thanks George.
>>
>> I wonder what our response should be?  I have argued in the past for 
>> a direct attack on the sceptics and their funding, but others have 
>> replied that that would just reopen the debate about whether 
>> anthropogenic climate change is happening at all, so we should just 
>> ignore them.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> George Marshall wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed this line in your pr from the IPCC
>>>
>>> The Fourth Assessment Report last year abolished any remaining 
>>> scepticism on climate change in the public eye.
>>>
>>> Well that's certainly not what MORI says. In the follow up to their 
>>> Tipping Point Turning Point report
>>> http://www.ipsos-mori.com/_assets/pdfs/public%20attitudes%20to%20climate%20change%20-%20for%20website%20-%20final.pdf 
>>>
>>>
>>> they report that 60% of people still agree that "Many scientific 
>>> experts still
>>> question if humans are contributing to climate change"
>>>
>>> and 42% - the majority of respondents - agree that
>>> I sometimes think climate change might not be as bad as people say
>>>
>>> So much for the IPCC resting on their laurels. Denial is as bad as ever
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> CHRIS KEENE wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://unfccc.int/files/press/news_room/statements/application/pdf/ipcc_statement_080831.pdf 
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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