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Re: space questions (spaced out???)

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Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

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Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:14:38 -0400

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Indeed!!!!
I wonder if she considered it 'intrusive'.  Rather doubt it.  <g>

haptically yours,

joodles



2008/9/12 Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]>

> INTRUDED
>
> he intruded upon her
> telerehabilitation haptic interfaces,
> with his
> metaphysical presuppositions.
> and finally embedded himself
> in her
> somatosensory space
> via haptic matching tasks
>
> Patrick noninformative visual information poet
> Cheers all
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Roger Day
> Sent: 12 September 2008 09:00
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: space questions (spaced out???)
>
> Well, it's all relative as Einstein announced with a big bang ...
>
> Very interested in the links - like Patrick, I'm extremely ignorant in
> these regions. I feel the pull of unknown terms. I shall spend this
> weekend perusing the links.
>
> thanks
> Roger
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Christopher C Jones
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Distortions of perspective it may be? It may well be the position from
> > which I pose such a query but could it be said that the question of
> > space is the big question that spans the 20th century?
> >
> > I was just interrupted by a telemarketing cold call which I then
> > immediately hang up on so have forgotten the question.
> >
> > >From Husserl and phenomenology on to Heidegger and beyond to Deleuze's
> > metaphysics it appears that philosophy seems to make a claim for space
> > as the big question of the 20th C. The claim that these philosophers are
> > concerned with time it seems to me would be to misplace the question?
> > William James questioning transcendental philosophy, without reading
> > again, also seems a question of space. Einstein, no doubt, makes a new
> > claim for space in theoretical physics and mathematics.
> >
> > Rightly or wrongly this seems, for me, to return again and again to
> > questions of form. Poetic forms in free verse, prose novels and art
> > photography... all with a big question of space hanging over them?
> >
> > Some years back on this forum there was a discussion of open form and
> > New Poetry and not wishing to start another war it does seem that the
> > big differences were again questions of space. This could be a question
> > of open and closed spaces with ethical questions of one over the other?
> > (It could be said that closed forms allow an immanent critique
> > foreclosed to open form?)
> >
> > At the risk of a short circuit, it could be said that against a
> > pragmatics of time which occupies the greater part of my formal
> > education in poetry writing, poetics and aesthetics and many others, it
> > could be said that a pragmatics of space is yet to find any solutions.
> > This would include a pragmatics of affects with such illuminating names
> > as William James and Silvan Tomkins? Are we still in the arena of space
> > and affects and still without time?
> >
> >
> > Just some URLs of articles I have been reading and found using google
> > search: haptic space perception
> >
> >
> > Remembrance of places past: a history
> > of theories of space
> >
> > http://www.cognitivemap.net/HCMpdf/Ch1.pdf
> >
> >
> > Noninformative vision improves haptic spatial perception
> >
> > http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13964253
> >
> > article on haptic computer interfaces
> >
> > http://csdl2.computer.org/comp/mags/mu/2006/03/u3022.pdf
> >
> > (There are other articles on jstor and ingenta but I no longer have
> > research library access to these thanks to illness.)
> >
>
>
>
> --
> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
>

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