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Dear George,
True enough. But my original sentence began: "According to most early sources for him L. was..." And by the middle of the fourth century the standard construction of Peter's role at Rome included his being its first bishop. So, for example, the Liberian Catalogue:
http://tinyurl.com/4hekc6
Best again,
John Dillon
On Tuesday, September 23, 2008, at 2:02 pm, George H. Brown wrote:
> Dear Johns,
>
> Does jbw mean by "McBrian" the theologian Fr. McBrien at Notre Dame?
>
> If so, that same Fr. McBrien has just pointed out in his column in
> the National Catholic Reporter that the apostles weren't bishops in
> the sense that they headed dioceses; they were missionaries. The
> diocesan structure came later, and Linus was (probably) the first
> bishop. Irenaeus is a good enough authority .
>
> GHB
>
>
> >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> >
> >John,
> >
> >You are quite right. I should have said merely: "the first bishop
> >of Rome after Peter".
> >
> >--John
> >
> >
> >On Tuesday, September 23, 2008, at 12:49 pm, John Wickstrom wrote:
> >
> >> John, your first sentence seems (perhaps intentionally) ambiguous.
> >> Traditional Catholic teaching makes Peter the first bishop of Rome
> >> (2nd and 3rd century sources according to, most recently, Mc Brian's
> >> new book on The Church); in that tradition your sentence should read
> >> "L. was Peter's successor and [therefore] the second bishop of Rome."
> >> My understanding is that Linus appears as the first name in the list
> >> by Irenaeus that you mention, making him, not Peter, the first bishop
> >> of Rome. Peter's "primacy" of the Roman church then would be, if
> >> anything, a more informal recognition, both during his time at Rome
> >> and elsewhere as the New Testament appointed (thou art Peter) leader
> >> of the church (?)
> >>
> >> jbw
> >
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