I think a matrix of responsibility would be good, to which we might be
able to have ourselves graded from perhaps Director level down to
Records Management Assistant and all in between. This might also help in
assisting us in assessing a job we may wish to apply for.

I agree that the JE process is flawed as it does reflect (partially) how
good we are as individuals in assessing ourselves, especially as we are
often the only RM professional in an organisation, unlike a role more
widespread such as IT. And perhaps a matrix, led by the RMS, may assist
us in being more consistent in our responses to JE questionnaires

Stewart


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Parker [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: 04 August 2008 16:12
To: Kirkup,Stewart (Cultural & Community Services)
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: Records Management Job Evaluation in Local Government


Thank you for your reply Stewart, all good points, but I feel we still
need to promote ourselves and ensure that the JE process is not used as
a lever to reduce our grades and salaries. If we get hung up in detail,
at this point, then events will overtake us while we 'chat' amongst
ourselves, and then we will not be able to influence what is happening
as we speak.

Each person who goes through this JE process will complete a form that
lists their responsibilities and the benefits to their authority. It
seems one of the variables in this process is the ability (or not) of
each person to complete that form to show their worth. I wonder if each
JE uses the same program to complete the process, and what influence
Line Management has on the completion, and hence result, interesting
thoughts.

I would welcome proposals on how we quantify the Records Managers role
(and of course the other positions within records management). I am sure
between us we can come up with a matrix of responsibility that reflects
accurately the work we do and hence the grades we should be scored to.
There are core competencies for our profession, it should be a process
of identifying these and then putting together the mix that each RM does
to come up with one that matches each job.  We will probably find that
different authorities have their own view on what they should be doing
in this area, and it may not match what should actually be happening,
but that is another matter.

Don't lets lose sight of what is happening here!

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: The UK Records Management mailing list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Kirkup,Stewart
(Cultural & Community Services)
Sent: 04 August 2008 15:55
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Records Management Job Evaluation in Local Government


I think this links in well with the recent discussions around how
successful the profession is at selling itself and the business benefits
it can provide. Only when we can fully show these benefits will our job
evaluations reflect what we a truly worth...

Another challenge we face in job evaluations and comparisons is the
disparate responsibilities different Records Managers have, some have
DPA/FOI, some don't. Some have EDRMS, some don't. Some have a Hard Copy
records centre, some don't... the list goes on, so does a generic
records manager role exist?

Stewart Kirkup
Derbyshire CC

-----Original Message-----
From: The UK Records Management mailing list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Darbyshire ,
Michelle
Sent: 04 August 2008 15:41
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Records Management Job Evaluation in Local Government

Dear All,

Following on from the responses I had a few months ago asking about
salaries and the results of my own job evaluation exercise I agree with
Brian in that we should present a united front one this. As Records
Managers we are not appreciated for the responsibilities that we hold
i.e. compliance with statutory legislation. I am appalled at the
significant decreases that are coming out of these evaluations
particularly when compared with the Private Sector. It is about time
that Records Managers should be recognised for the professionals that
they are!!!



Regards Michelle

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-----Original Message-----
From: The UK Records Management mailing list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bryan Parker
Sent: 04 August 2008 15:23
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Records Management Job Evaluation in Local Government

What do you think our profession is worth in Local Government?

Many Local Government Authorities have or are currently going through a
job
evaluation process and it appears, from initial discussions with my
colleagues,
that our profession - Records Management, is coming out of this with
lowered
grades and salaries, causing upset and dissatisfaction amongst our
members.

I am asking the community to band together on this and ensure our
profession
is treated fairly in the Local Government job evaluation process.
I will be sending my information to the RMS (Records Management Society)
in
the hope that they will take the lead in ensuring a co-ordinated
approach to
establishing our worth for the job we do in Local Government.

Please feel free to send me your experiences and/or thoughts on this
(offline)
and I also welcome a discussion on line if appropriate, and I will
ensure the
information is passed on to the RMS to help enlighten those who appear
to be
downgrading the valuable job we do.

We need to show a common front at this time.

Bryan Parker

Compliance and Records Management Officer

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