I'm trying very hard to articulate something that resembles a thought
here: poetry, pace Darwish, doesn't change life, but it adds an extra
dimension. However that space it creates doesn't alter that which is
not that space, so something different, something extra, gets added,
but the old problems still stay the same. At the same time, it is a
provisional, vulnerable, largely intangible thing, and it is very easy
to fall for the temptation of a more physical substitute to inhabit
the same space.
I don't know if I'm making myself clear or making sense, this is just
an attempt at speaking, I'll leave it at this for now.
2008/8/28 Roger Day <[log in to unmask]>:
> Pace our moderators attempts to limit the discussion to poetry and
> only poetry, the title of the list has always been "poetryetc". See
> that little etc at the end there? So, although poetry may not be
> discussed in a way you like, I wasn't under the impression that poetry
> was avoided. From my POV, most of the conversation centers around
> poetry, looping, elliptical maybe, but still going around and around.
> Maybe it's my vision of the list that differs from yours. There are
> plenty of lists which concentrate *solely* on Poetry - new-poetry,
> british and irish poets etc etc. The uniqueness of this list is that
> it could cover everything, and does sometimes, but the center holding
> is poetry. I've not seen many people posting snaps recently and that's
> always been a major feature of these lists. Indeed, you've contributed
> poetry and it's been discussed, so I hardly see how that's avoiding
> There's nothing to stop you from discussing villanelles if that's what
> you want. And I was under the impression that was what you were doing
> so with Alison. For me, the world, for me, does not spin on a poetic
> axis alone, and the broad wash of genres should mix and collide. No
> boundaries. I realise I'm probably the main culprit here, so hey, if
> you want me kicked off, complain to the moderators. I'm sure they'd be
> happy to oblige, pace their attempts to fit this list into a neat
> little box.
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:53 PM, David Bircumshaw
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> It's fascinating to be on a poetry discussion list where the main
>> thing that is avoided in conversation is poetry.
>> 2008/8/27 Stephen Vincent <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> Agree with Doug, here, Roger. I like the sense of texture in these pieces.
>>> The work does not seem much about 'self' in that narcisstic way, so I don't reason to be concerned about put your stuff out into the world. I see these things as kinds of gifts - not that you want them to be free of critique (another kind of reciprocal gift, if well given).
>>> I mean you are not confusing your 'self' with Paris Hilton - I suspect!
>>> Stephen V
>>> Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote: And definitely something there to promote, Roger. I especially like
>>> the abstracts & the merz stuff....
>>> On 26-Aug-08, at 1:33 PM, Roger Day wrote:
>>>> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
>>>> "I began to warm and chill
>>>> to objects and their fields"
>>>> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
>>> Douglas Barbour
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> Latest books:
>>> Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
>>> A little planet blues, for the
>>> A season of rictus riffs.
>>> Dennis Lee
>> David Bircumshaw
>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/
> "I began to warm and chill
> to objects and their fields"
> Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk