"Poetry pelasti minut urheilulta."
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Sent: 20 August 2008 20:08
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Subject: Re: Sport v art
I saw a t-shirt at work today that read "Musiikki pelasti minut urheilulta."
Music saved me from sports.
2008/8/18 Sally Evans <[log in to unmask]>
> I suppose art could be "marked". the nearest I can think is ice dancing.
> But there are many ways for the establishment to get their own way in
> sport, despite the scoring, such as disqualifying people, not paying for
> their training etc,
> Sally Evans
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Walker" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Sport v art
>> And last week he was at it again, this time attacking sport as "the
>> antithesis" of art. [AC]
>> I think there may be something in the antithesis argument after all.
>> surely, is an excess of result over 'content': you can reduce it to a
>> (highest ever score when peeing against a wall) without doing untold
>> But there can never be any sort of Teacher's Summary of, say, *King Lear*
>> that will ever do more than injustice to that 'content', which is forever
>> Anyway here are three related points.
>> First Deleuze & Guattari on Kafka and the nature of 'minor literature'.
>> Meaning derives from the saying. It is not some putting-into-words of
>> something pre-existing. And it's the nature of 'minor literature' (its
>> indifference between speaking and spoken subjects, its asignifying
>> its undermining of once established terrains through
>> that welling up of 'content', the point at which everything becomes
>> *political* and where everything also departs from being *political*)
>> makes some sort of shared enunciation possible. And this is absolutely at
>> odds, I think, with what happens with football fans.
>> Here is Tiziano Scarpa on the business of looking at football on the
>> television. He takes the example of someone watching pundits watching a
>> match that they're discussing: 'Who said that television tells us lies?
>> Television is sincerity got up as a screen. It tells the truth about
>> it shows that there's nothing to see.'
>> And here finally is a speaker in Nanni Balestrini's *I furiosi*, which is
>> about, I think, the AC Milan Ultras. The advantage, he says, of being a
>> football thug, is that you don't actually have to believe in things: no
>> politics, thank G-d. All you need do now is just thump people.
>> 'How to speak a different language and still be understood?
>> This is *communication* but we might call it politics, or we
>> might call it life.' (Judith Revel)