But why reinvent the wheel? The social model, as I've already said, is a
hugely empowering tool. My argument is that it needs to develop, as have
other anti-discriminatory models like anti-racism and feminism, not that it
should be done away with. We should be using the strengths of the social
model and building on them with insights from subsequent work in the social
and political sciences.
Margo
-----Original Message-----
From: Maria [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 10 August 2008 14:48
To: Margo Milne; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Neurodiversity, neurological disability and the public sector:
notes on the autism spectrum
Why not then, look for a model that adequately reflect personal
experience -answers your questions? Remember the social model was set up
the respond the an inadequacy - lacking in the 1970's. Why not come up
with a model that does. Just like no Dr can meet all of one's needs no one
model can adequately reflect all personal experience.
Instead of blaming the social model , why not challenge it by creating
something else or look for a model that respond to your personal experience
?
Maria
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From: "Margo Milne" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Neurodiversity, neurological disability and the public sector:
notes on the autism spectrum
> Indeed, as originally formulated. But models can, and do, evolve to
> provide
> a better representation of reality. At present, many disabled people,
> particularly older disabled people, do not self-identify as disabled using
> the social model. Why is that? For me, as for others, it is partly because
> the social model does not adequately reflect personal experience, and the
> experience of impairment.
>
> Margo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maria [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 10 August 2008 13:20
> To: Margo Milne; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Neurodiversity, neurological disability and the public
> sector:
> notes on the autism spectrum
>
> Margo
> The social model was never intend to explain pain and medical construct.
> However, if you are looking for models that deal with those issues may I
> suggest a literature search in medical sociology ?
> Maria
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Margo Milne" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Neurodiversity, neurological disability and the public
> sector:
> notes on the autism spectrum
>
>
>> Well, when you come up with a philosophical construct that deals
>> adequately
>> with the "common sense notions" of pain and fatigue that many of us have
>> to
>> deal with every day, let me know. Until then, I'll continue to argue that
>> the social model, as it currently stands, is inadequate for describing
>> the
>> experience of many disabled people, and that the personal effects of
>> impairments must be considered as part of the causes of disability.
>>
>> Margo
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Larry Arnold
>> Sent: 09 August 2008 19:57
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Neurodiversity, neurological disability and the public
>> sector:
>> notes on the autism spectrum
>>
>> In the end I suppose it comes down to personal attribution style as much
>> as
>> anything, but I would
>> prefer that impairment were struck from the language as a somewhat
>> untranslatable concept and
>> replaced with something like sub optimal adaptation, or negatively
>> nuanced
>> difference.
>>
>> It gets ridiculous to me really to put comparitors in, because there are
>> things that I can't do and
>> will never do, simply because it is not in the parameters of my embodied
>> existence to have that
>> capacity, however it only becomes a problem by comparison, and if you did
>> not have the faculty of
>> mind that allows comparison, then you would not be able to express your
>> disability or impairment in
>> the terms you do.
>>
>> My particular neurological set up seems to be optimised for philosophical
>> speculation and the
>> rejection of straigtforward "common sense" folk pyschology of things, I
>> am
>> rather glad it is because
>> it allows of this kind of mental gymnastics to counter such common sence
>> notions as pain and
>> limitation, not that I am totally an android (heavens above I feela lot
>> more human than I suppose
>> Stephen Pinker and Richard Dawkins to be) and don't feel human
>> limitations
>> from time to time and get
>> a little down about it. Now where did I put those trees?
>>
>> Well life would certainly be no fun if I did not think the way I do.
>>
>> Larry
>>
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