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>Dear Bea,
>
>I fear I cannot contribute much more than the photo and the (limited)
>information provided by the exhibition creators, as in fact my knowledge on
>Egyptian bread is indeed very small. So it is me who has to excuse for his
>ignorance!
>
>Concerning the image contents: as far as I understood the labels in the
>exhibition, several stacked molds had been depicted on the left side of the
>image, but some of them must have broken off. Unfortunately I could not find
>a better (intact) image.
>
>And yes, the Louvre is indeed an amazing place. Even what the average
>visitor (like me) can see there is stunning. It should be an awesome
>experience to be able to see some of the artifacts in their depots.
>
>Andreas
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Beatrice Hopkinson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 4:35 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]; 'The archaeobotany mailing list'
>Subject: RE: HORUS BREAD OFFERINGS
>
>Dear Andreas,
>
> Thank you so much for sharing this painting with me, and forgive my
>ignorance on this subject of Horus the Egyptian God. I can't quite work
>out the shape of the upside down conical pot in the fire (if that is what
>it
>is?) - and its shape at the narrow end - is that a handle for lifting the
>mold
>off the bread?
>
> I understand that extant evidence of 5000 yr. old bread
>comes in different shapes, some flat, some conical - as well as varies in
>texture and content.
>
> The Louvre is simply wondrous isn't it. I met a curator there to
>look at
>some of their salt molds and hoped they'd open the case so that I could
>take
>a closer look - but no luck - the case hadn't been opened for something
>like
>35 years !
>
>Bea
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>
>
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>
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>>@ Bea: I saw this painted relief from the 5th Dynasty depicting a man
>>preparing dough (right) and another one monitoring the burning of conical
>>bread molds (left). I took the picture at the Louvre, Paris.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Andreas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: The archaeobotany mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>On Behalf Of Beatrice Hopkinson
>>Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:56 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: HORUS BREAD OFFERINGS
>>
>>Have you ever seen a picture of the molds in which the bread was
>>made?
>>
>>Bea
>>
>>Beatrice Hopkinson
>>Hon. Secretary Los Angeles Branch
>>Oxford University Society
>>
>>
>>
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>>>And here's some more detail, and a reference....
>>>
>>>Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Date: August 8, 2008 12:23:06 PM EDT
>>>> To: Naomi Miller <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Cc: Jiyoung Song <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Help me!!
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> The photograph shows the king making offerings of bread/cakes to
>>>> the god Horus.
>>>> Loaves are also piled on the table in between the 2 figures. You
>>>> may wish to
>>>> check R. David, Religious Ritual at Abydos (1973) for more detailed
>>>> descriptions of the scene.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jen Wegner
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Naomi Miller <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jen and Joe,
>>>>> This was on the archaeobotany list:
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> From: Jiyoung Song <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Date: August 8, 2008 1:16:17 AM EDT
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Help me!!
>>>>> Reply-To: The archaeobotany mailing list
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>, Jiyoung Song
>>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>
>>>>> This is Jiyoung Song, associate researcher of 'KBS Special', a
>>>>> documentary program at the Korean Broadcasting System (KBS)
>>>>> titled in
>>>>> "Noodle Road". A few month ago, I filmed the ancient wheat thanks
>>>>> to your assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to know the information about this picture. As you
>>>>> know, this picture is in the temple of Abydos in Egypt describing
>>>>> Ramses II
>>>>> is offering the food to the god. In my guess, it's bread. But i
>>>>> can't find the correct information. Is there anyone who know the
>>>>> informarion about this offering?
>>>>>
>>>>> With my best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Jiyoung Song
>>>>> --
>>>>> Song, Jiyoung
>>>>>
>>>>> Researcher ( Food, Wine & Cooking)
>>>>> Feature Documentary Team
>>>>>
>>>>> Korean Broadcasting System
>>>>> 18 Youngdeungpo-Gu, KBS TV, Seoul, South Korea
>>>>>
>>>>> O. 82-2-781-1384
>>>>> C. 82-16-709-7098
>>>>> F. 82-2-781-1379
>>>>>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit our English Website: http://english.kbs.co.kr/
>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>> Naomi F. Miller
>>>>> University of Pennsylvania Museum
>>>>> MASCA-Museum Applied Science Center for Archaeology
>>>>> 3260 South Street
>>>>> Philadelphia, PA 19104
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>> tel: (215) 898 4075; FAX: (215) 898-0657
>>>>> http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~nmiller0/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>-------------------------------------
>>>Naomi F. Miller
>>>University of Pennsylvania Museum
>>>MASCA-Museum Applied Science Center for Archaeology
>>>3260 South Street
>>>Philadelphia, PA 19104
>>>--------------------------------------
>>>tel: (215) 898 4075; FAX: (215) 898-0657
>>>http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~nmiller0/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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