Quite so. Andrew
2008/7/15 TheOldMole <[log in to unmask]>:
> I can't comment on the original thread because I didn't read the beginning
> of it, and I have no idea how or why this whole thing about "five people"
> started, but I can't remember the last time Joe called for a thread to be
> halted. It's not something that he does every week.If you're going to have a
> managed list, which I believe to be a good idea, you have to have at least a
> minimal amount of management. This is what we have here, and the best
> response to this minimal management is to accept it and move on. Which is
> what I plan to do. My next post here, and all subsequent posts, will be
> about poetry.
>
> Judy Prince wrote:
>>
>> Joe, with nothing I say intended to be an attack on you personally, I am
>> asking for your voluntarily giving up your post as co-manager of this
>> list.
>> We listmembers are not privy to back channel communications, if any, that
>> you may have had at any point, so I can only draw conclusions based upon
>> what you write front channel. In your posts clearly labelled
>> "co-manager",
>> you have, it seems to me, been dictatorial, have not consulted listmembers
>> before making your decisions, and have made erratic judgements and
>> pronouncements. Following is a gathering of those specifics.
>>
>> You must consider the timeline of actions and decisions that you have left
>> us with, regarding your co-managership:
>>
>> 1) You resigned your co-managership in the wake of an upset with one of
>> the
>> members whom you wished to cut from the list.
>>
>> 2) Peter Cudmore volunteered to fill your vacated position.
>>
>> 3) You said that you wanted to continue as co-manager, and, without any
>> front channel request for input or advice from us members, you gathered
>> together a group of us to advise you on the difficult issue of whether and
>> how listmembers should be removed from the list.
>>
>> 4) Yesterday, you seemed to want a thread discontinued, and that
>> eventually
>> became evident from your saying "the thread is over." Yet we saw no
>> evidence that you had consulted with your co-manager about your decision,
>> nor that you had sought the advice of your self-selected group of
>> advisors.
>>
>> 5) Assuming the best---that, indeed, you had consulted Anny and your
>> group
>> of advisors---you did not tell us that you had consulted them. You can
>> understand how autocratic that makes you appear to be.
>>
>> 6) Assuming that you did not consult Anny or your advisors, we reasonably
>> must wonder why you'd make such an undemocratic move, to the detriment of
>> the list's stated desire for equality and fairness.
>>
>> I suggest your leaving the post, with all my due respect for your hard
>> work
>> and your tryings. None of us regards the position as "easy", and few, if
>> any of us, want to have it. But I think that your remaining in the
>> position
>> is divisive, in itself. Surely, that is not a good thing for this list.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/7/14 Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>>> My understanding, Candice, is that the list is unmoderated in that all
>>> the
>>> mail goes through. Nobody checks it ahead of time. If you send it it will
>>> show up. (The software can be set to hold messages for approval.) But the
>>> list has both two "managers" & an advisory panel, presumably because
>>> things
>>> occasionally need to be adjudicated. The managers and the advisory panel
>>> work for the best interests of the list as a whole. No messages were
>>> deleted
>>> this morning (US time) & I would consider such an action appropriate in
>>> only
>>> the most extreme case. Hope this clarifies matters.
>>>
>>> Joseph Duemer
>>> Co-Mgr.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> The last I knew was that Jiscmail designated poetryetc an unmoderated
>>>
>>> list,
>>>>
>>>> and I think our welcome message says so too. Has something changed in
>>>> the
>>>> meantime?
>>>>
>>>> Candice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joseph Duemer
>>> Professor of Humanities
>>> Clarkson University
>>> Weblog: sharpsand.net
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Tad Richards
> http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
>
> The moral is this: in American verse,
> The better you are, the pay is worse.
> --Corey Ford
>
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Andrew
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