Where I live, it's bedtime. Where many of you live, the day is just
beginning. I fear that I'll rise in the morning to find the list on fire.
May I suggest that, as I go to my sleep, others on the list go to naps, or
long walks, or deep poems -- and/or back channel?
It's just a little bump on the list road. It will all look smaller with a
bit of distance.
Just, please, no one resign their roles and/or the list in the meantime.
OK?
--
~ SB | http://www.sbpoet.com |
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Anny Ballardini <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> As a co-manager I was consulted, and there was a mail ready to be sent to
> you to apologize to Frederick for your tone. I discard all your points
> Judy.
>
>
> I can understand you have had problems with your trip to England, and that
> this list is a way for you to deal with your disappointment, but please
> understand that there are other members on this list, and that we are
> trying
> to do our best to keep it interesting for all.
>
> I would like you to apologize to Joseph for what you said. And I am saying
> this without having consulted with my co-manager.
>
> My best,
> Anny
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Joe, with nothing I say intended to be an attack on you personally, I am
> > asking for your voluntarily giving up your post as co-manager of this
> list.
> > We listmembers are not privy to back channel communications, if any, that
> > you may have had at any point, so I can only draw conclusions based upon
> > what you write front channel. In your posts clearly labelled
> "co-manager",
> > you have, it seems to me, been dictatorial, have not consulted
> listmembers
> > before making your decisions, and have made erratic judgements and
> > pronouncements. Following is a gathering of those specifics.
> >
> > You must consider the timeline of actions and decisions that you have
> left
> > us with, regarding your co-managership:
> >
> > 1) You resigned your co-managership in the wake of an upset with one of
> > the
> > members whom you wished to cut from the list.
> >
> > 2) Peter Cudmore volunteered to fill your vacated position.
> >
> > 3) You said that you wanted to continue as co-manager, and, without any
> > front channel request for input or advice from us members, you gathered
> > together a group of us to advise you on the difficult issue of whether
> and
> > how listmembers should be removed from the list.
> >
> > 4) Yesterday, you seemed to want a thread discontinued, and that
> > eventually
> > became evident from your saying "the thread is over." Yet we saw no
> > evidence that you had consulted with your co-manager about your decision,
> > nor that you had sought the advice of your self-selected group of
> advisors.
> >
> > 5) Assuming the best---that, indeed, you had consulted Anny and your
> group
> > of advisors---you did not tell us that you had consulted them. You can
> > understand how autocratic that makes you appear to be.
> >
> > 6) Assuming that you did not consult Anny or your advisors, we
> reasonably
> > must wonder why you'd make such an undemocratic move, to the detriment of
> > the list's stated desire for equality and fairness.
> >
> > I suggest your leaving the post, with all my due respect for your hard
> work
> > and your tryings. None of us regards the position as "easy", and few, if
> > any of us, want to have it. But I think that your remaining in the
> > position
> > is divisive, in itself. Surely, that is not a good thing for this list.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Judy
> >
> >
> >
> > 2008/7/14 Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> > > My understanding, Candice, is that the list is unmoderated in that all
> > the
> > > mail goes through. Nobody checks it ahead of time. If you send it it
> will
> > > show up. (The software can be set to hold messages for approval.) But
> the
> > > list has both two "managers" & an advisory panel, presumably because
> > things
> > > occasionally need to be adjudicated. The managers and the advisory
> panel
> > > work for the best interests of the list as a whole. No messages were
> > > deleted
> > > this morning (US time) & I would consider such an action appropriate in
> > > only
> > > the most extreme case. Hope this clarifies matters.
> > >
> > > Joseph Duemer
> > > Co-Mgr.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > >
> > > > The last I knew was that Jiscmail designated poetryetc an unmoderated
> > > list,
> > > > and I think our welcome message says so too. Has something changed in
> > the
> > > > meantime?
> > > >
> > > > Candice
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joseph Duemer
> > > Professor of Humanities
> > > Clarkson University
> > > Weblog: sharpsand.net
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anny Ballardini
> http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/
> http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
> http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html
> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing
> star!
>
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