Dunno 'bout wakean, but you've brought something up that intrigues me with
your comment, Dave, about odd assocations, night writing, and ghost stories:
when we've cobbled together a poem, how would we answer this self-posed
question: "Wot were you +thinking+?" I seem to come up with poems from a
nother life form perched in m' Perfectly Normal brain, and it doesn't seem
to pay much attention, except possibly for punctuation guidance, to that
Normal thing goin' on in my heid. Is it a Critter that "needs tamed" (as
they nicely concise the syntax in England and northern parts of the USofA),
or is it one we sub-brainly wanna keep well fed? And when does it step
aside for a nother Critter, if ever? I mite be writing poems about love and
oceans 'til I step into the Ole Abyss, for &%%$*& sake!
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: revised poem, orange words
> >how on earth did you know to make that obscure connection? do you write
> rpgs<
>
> No, kasper, I just have a mind full of odd associations.
>
> Believe me, some of my associations have been very odd indeed!
>
> Yeah, I think Wakean writing is best for fairly short poems, and in
> small doses. Too much and your head starts to jelly.
> There could be, there are, other kinds of night writing too - that's
> an interesting thought. A lot of poetry's ghost stories.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
> 2008/6/2 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
>> how on earth did you know to make that obscure connection? do you write
>> rpgs?
>> I never got into fantasy except for Tolkien, which I'm happy about since
>> it
>> isn't my thing exactly. the anthropology, linguistics & history of a
>> well-written mythos is always enjoyable though.
>>
>> heh yes I can imagine. but that's kind of the point of wakean writing,
>> I'd
>> say; to let the words & associations live lives of their own, the same
>> way
>> that dreams & thoughts shapeshift constantly. Joyce called FW a 'night
>> book'
>> I believe, and he attributes the vaulted, morphing language to the fact
>> that
>> the 'events' happen at night, when nothing is as clear as in the daytime.
>>
>> KS
>>
>> 2008/6/1 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>>> http://www.elfwood.com/art/h/a/hathaway/jerhan.jpg.html
>>>
>>> gives you the elves.
>>>
>>> Finnegan speak is quite fun in poems, now and then, isn't it? The only
>>> trouble is, and I've found this out myself, after a few years you
>>> start forgetting what the puns were in your own poems, that happened
>>> to Joyce too with parts of the Wake didn't it?
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> 2008/6/1 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> > as in Finnegans. what do you mean, prowling elves? :o
>>> >
>>> > KS
>>> >
>>> > 2008/5/31 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> >
>>> >> Kasper
>>> >>
>>> >> do you mean 'wakean' as in Finnegans or as in prowling elves?
>>> >>
>>> >> 2008/5/31 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> >> > fantastic Janet. you've written a poem in wakean! I enjoyed hugely
>>> >> >
>>> >> > KS
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2008/5/30 Janet Jackson <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I thought after commenting about Prynne might be a good time to
>>> >> >> work
>>> on
>>> >> >> this
>>> >> >> poem ;-) but I'm still not satisfied with lines 6 and 7 and
>>> particularly
>>> >> >> not
>>> >> >> with 'extension' and 'meatsweat' which are too orange. (Words with
>>> >> >> a
>>> lot
>>> >> of
>>> >> >> 'e' sounds in them always seem orange to me... anyone else
>>> >> >> experience
>>> >> this
>>> >> >> kind of synesthesia?)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> In this poem my expression is tightly constrained by the form the
>>> poem
>>> >> has
>>> >> >> taken. Finding the one perfect word can take days or years.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> *breath*
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> brush with that nightskin this dayskin.
>>> >> >> tangential coatmerge. totem furs.
>>> >> >> chimpgirl. panther.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> chill chubby sunmemory, thinlimbed mist.
>>> >> >> dimlysensed. vibrational. suspended.
>>> >> >> extension. locus.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> taint inspiration, meatsweat droplets.
>>> >> >> turning. pacing. turning. pacing. focus.
>>> >> >> flash flood of star-mangled breath
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> just outside the scent markers of the gang boss
>>> >> >> just outside the territory of the tribe
>>> >> >> as they sleep. snoring. gone. I alert
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> both eyes scanning
>>> >> >> skin stretched wide
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
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>>> >> >>
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>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Bircumshaw
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> David Bircumshaw
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