my apologies to all -- mhv is of course right
but i do find it galling when personal abuse becomes part of the lingua
franca of these exchanges, and had hoped to achieve through my own posts
precisely what mhv asks for
mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Film-Philosophy Salon [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of hunter vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: abuse of listserv
dear combatants (michael and bill),
please stop using an academic listserv as a public arena for your
squabble, it is clogging up everyone's email accounts with tedium.
direct insults and commentary would best be left to a private form of
communique.
thank you.
mhv
On 6/3/08, Frank, Michael <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> "gurly-gurl"?? - whew, i was worried that maybe i was just mediocre
or a
> hypocrite . . . but i can live with being gurly, especially if being
gurly
> involves deviating sloppily into questions of ethics rather than
sticking to
> the narrow path of aesthetics
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> m
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> From: Film-Philosophy Salon [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of bill harris
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:05 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: rhythm and flow
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> Tenured or not, what "really matters" is that the meaning of "loser",
> mediocrity" and hypocrite" are clear within the text. In any case,
your
> "puzzling" over my ethics seems to be far more gurly-gurl than
relevant to
> any discussion about either CL-S or aesthetics.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Frank, Michael
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> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: rhythm and flow
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> i'm puzzled by an ethics that precludes calling anyone a "loser" but
permits
> [even encourages] such epithets as "mediocre" or "hypocrite" . . . of
course
> that should come as no surprise since as a tenured academic i clearly
can't
> be counted on to understand anything that really matters
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>
> mike
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> From: Film-Philosophy Salon [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of bill harris
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:18 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: rhythm and flow
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> I've never called anyone a "loser" and I never intend to. This is
because
> its usage intends upon judging others by the speaker's own standards:
> intellectual fascism at its worse.
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> Although I'm not in academia, I can still accept your vexations over
the
> peer process as true. This is because peer processing for tenure
obviously
> suggests the genre of politics and mediocrity that all real art
opposes by
> its nature.
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> I've tried to explain the CL-S issue as one that's fundamentally
different
> than that of, say, Pollock being judged by those for whom Bottacelli
is the
> bottom line. CL-S wanted to be accepted as the Great Institutional
> Theoretician; and it was only when his work was derided by those from
whom
> he sought approval did he (and his publisher) do a re-make as a rebel
> intellectual.
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> This, of course, is hypocrisy.
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> Bill Harris
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