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Hi Tim
You may want to consider using WAYFless urls which would provide users with a more seamless service.
Kind regards,
Jane
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From: JISC-SHIBBOLETH-LIBRARIES on behalf of Tim Fletcher
Sent: Tue 13/05/2008 12:02
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Subject: Re: VPN and (RE: Personalisation and IP access)
Here at Birkbeck we have just purchased EZProxy to give us an alternative to VPN. Whilst VPN works for many users there are those who are not confident about installing it, or who are conencting from locations where they are not allowed to install it, such as a work computer. It may have something to do with our particular student profile (mostly part-time, higher and wider age range) which causes us extra problems with access to resources so any means of simplifying it appears to be worth pursuing. We have also registered for OpenAthens to give us some further leeway in maintaining access as things change. I think our main concern about this is that Federated Access doesn't, on the surface, appear to make the authentication process any more straightforward for our users - at least in the immediate future.
Tim
Tim Fletcher
Library Systems Manager
Birkbeck
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From: JISC-SHIBBOLETH-LIBRARIES [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Owen Stephens
Sent: 13 May 2008 11:34
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Subject: Re: VPN and (RE: Personalisation and IP access)
We (Imperial College London) haven't yet decided whether to go with OpenAthens or not, but our current solution for enabling access to IP validated resources when off-campus is VPN, and we have no immediate plans to invest in EZProxy or similar technology.
I don't see a particular problem using VPN, and to date it doesn't seem to have caused our users too many problems, although I take Chris's point that we may find an influx of new users brings some challenges, and that on specific environments VPN may not be possible (eg from some corporate networks)
Owen
On 13 May 2008, at 08:48, "Sandra Morris [ssm]" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
We are considering relying on VPN, instead of Athens, here for off-campus access to non-shibb-compliant (Athens)resources. We do not have EZProxy.
Many of our students and staff already use VPN happily after the initial, quite complex, setup procedure.
Can anyone point out any flaws in this arrangement? (Sorry - I'm not a techie so may be missing something very obvious!)
Thanks very much
Sandra
Sandra Morris
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Subject Support & E-Library Team,
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Hugh Owen Library,
Aberystywth University,
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From: JISC-SHIBBOLETH-LIBRARIES [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane Charlton
Sent: 12 May 2008 17:48
To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Personalisation and IP access
I think if this is a concern it is worth contacting those particular publishers and asking them to provide IP access as a safety net in case their timescales for being federation-compliant slip at all.
Kind regards,
Jane
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From: JISC-SHIBBOLETH-LIBRARIES [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Morris W (LCSS)
Sent: 12 May 2008 13:00
To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Personalisation and IP access
Like a number of participants in this thread we are exploring the possibility of using a combination of EZproxy and Shibboleth come August.
Though we have not concluded our investigations just yet, it seems that we may have a few resources that do not offer IP address access and have not implemented Shibboleth yet. They plan to do so by 31July, but there are no clear guarantees, as far as I can tell.
We don't want to be in a situation where we drop Athens only to find those resources that planned to implement Shibboleth by 31 July have failed to meet this deadline. Could I ask how much weight libraries are placing behind service providers' assertions that they will be FAM compliant by 31July?
Regards
Wayne
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From: JISC-SHIBBOLETH-LIBRARIES [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] On Behalf Of Matthew Phillips
Sent: 12 May 2008 12:50
To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Personalisation and IP access
No need to worry about Zetoc: it is already available via the Federation and there is a mechanism for transferring the alerts to the new accounts.
Another system where personalisation is tied to the Athens username is Ebrary.
Everyone lost their personalisation two years ago when we moved to AthensDA and we had very few complaints, so I don't anticipate big problems this time either.
Matthew
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>>> "Checkley, Caroline R" <[log in to unmask]> 12/05/2008 12:31 >>>
Dear Maureen
From memory Lexis only offers personalisation via Athens and I think
Westlaw is the same, also Zetoc Alerts are only available via Athens
too.
All the best
Caroline Checkley
Assistant Librarian
Albert Sloman Library
University of Essex
Wivenhoe Park
Colchester
Essex
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From: JISC-SHIBBOLETH-LIBRARIES
[mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] On Behalf Of Maureen
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Sent: 12 May 2008 09:31
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Personalisation and IP access
Dear All
This might be a naive question and / or have been asked before but..
We are going to use a mixture of our proxy server and UK federation from
August i.e. we will not be using Athens. At the moment although I link
to majority of our resources with our proxy address, we never refuse
anyone who wants an Athens account.
Question- can colleagues think of any resources which use proxy for
access but require Athens for personalisation e.g. favourites/bookshelf
etc.
We are setting up shibboleth where we can but obviously there will be
some resources which will not be ready for August. Access will not be
problem because IP controlled but personalisation worries me.
Just to clarify: I am not asking about transferring existing
favourites/saved searches from Athens but starting new ones from August
when they have gone in via IP
Regards
Maureen
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