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Re: Evacuation for wheelchair users on coaches

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"Ryan, Justin" <[log in to unmask]>

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Accessibuilt list <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 29 May 2008 11:23:30 +0100

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I not sure I can help in your request and I am not familia
Shane



I not sure I can help in your request and I am not familiar with these

hoists but hopefully the position of the wheelchair and the hoist will

not restrict the evacuation of the coach in an emergency?

I was on a coach travelling down the M6 21st October 1985 when it was

involved in a collision. The evacuation was going smoothly, people even

taking their time getting their luggage together, until thick black

smoke entered the compartment and then there was one mad rush for the

exit. Even though there were no disabled people on that coach 3 people

died on it because they could not get out.  Hopefully they have improved

the amount of exits? I not been on an intercity coach since. Breakable

or moveable windows? If there had been a wheelchair user on that coach

they would have definitely died, a smoke hood or oxygen mask would be

needed to buy them and others who would need to help the time needed to

evac them, smoke inhalation was what killed the people who didn't get

off the coach. 

Some sort of slide next to the window where the wheelchair position is,

airplane style would certainly aid evacuating someone who would possibly

be a dead weight.

Sorry but your email just brought back some old memories and I was

wondering if anyone had seriously thought about how they get people out

of a coach in an emergency now that they have figured how to get them in

one especially as the time available to get out will be a lot less then

the time available to get in. Not much different to Part M ie how many

fire exits do you see with steps!!



Kind Regards

 

Justin Ryan 

Accessibility and Inclusion Manager 

Southeastern, 

Floor 3, Friars Bridge Court, 

41-45 Blackfriars Road, 

London, S.E.1 8PG 

T. 0207 620 5536 int 00-0075536 

M. 07771 827121 

F. 0207 620 5547  

 



-----Original Message-----

From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf

Of Shane Hogan

Sent: 23 May 2008 15:46

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Evacuation for wheelchair users on coaches



Hi folks



I'm trying to get information on possible approaches for evacuating

wheelchair users or other persons with mobility difficulties from

inter-city

coaches.  



One of the coach companies here in Ireland has added some coaches with

wheelchair lifts to its fleet.  As you may know, these inter-city

coaches

have a completely different design to city buses.  The seating area for

all

passengers (including wheelchair users) is quite high in the coaches,

located before the baggage compartments.  These new coaches are fitted

with

an integrated lift which lifts a wheelchair user up from the kerb into a

designated position, where the wheelchair is strapped in.  This company

is

now considering options for emergency evacuations.



The wheelchair lift can be operated manually, so an engine or power

failure

is not a huge problem.  However, it is possible that the lift and/or the

door could be badly damaged in a collision or that a fire would

necessitate

an emergency evacuation.



I have advised them that all customers have different disabilities and

that

some customers may be able to get out independently.  I have also

suggested

that evacuation should be a last resort, and only done when really

necessary. It should not be the default policy to evacuate the bus every

time it breaks down.



Has anyone come across any useful approaches or equipment that would be

relevant to these situations?



Many thanks



Shane



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