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Roger Day <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

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Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:45:55 +0100

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No, I'm not disagreeing with you.

The timeline looks like Picasso, Braque, Apolinaire then Pound.
Talking about mangling facts, but every art history I read that
mentioned Apollinaire insisted that he would get  the art wrong.

Re: assemblage v collage, I read today that assemblage is 3D. And my
Glasgow Application reads assemblage throughout ... ah well, one for
the interview the week after next.

BTB, I just got accepted onto the BA course at Cardiff.

Roger

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Douglas Barbour
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Roger:  Not sure if you're disagreeing with me, but if so I'd say you're
> not, at least in so far as I agree with you.
>
>  So many more collage structures, long poems many of them, followed on from
> the Cantos. I'd argue, for example (if only as a reader coming to them thru
> the Cantos, Maximus, & so many others, that Benjamin's Arcades Project is
> just such a collage/long poem....
>
>  All of which has little if anything to do with 'what' Pound 'incorporated
> in his collage, much of which is junk. If I read you aright, however, he
> couldnt help that anyway, & any of us trying something similar will have to
> import a lot of junk, along with the diamonds, into whatever we
> constructed....
>
>  Doug
>
>  On 1-Apr-08, at 12:24 PM, Roger Day wrote:
>
>
> > Apologies for bringing this dead horse back to life, but I have one
> > last thing to say.
> >
> > To me, it isn't a failure for the wedges of prose to sit undigested by
> > the poetic technique. I don't know if Pound consciously wrote in a
> > collage style, but to me his cantos are the poetic equivalent of an
> > assemblage. So to me, it isn't strange; it's mirroring fragmented,
> > undigested reality, bringing together different representations of
> > reality and housing them under a cantos. You can do this with images;
> > it's more radical with representations. Pound's Cantos are the
> > equivalent of Rauschenberg's assemblages, Charles Ives music. Reality
> > has been fragmented, and remains fragmented. Attempts to put  Humpty
> > Dumpty back together again a la Arvo Part amount to mere nostalgia.
> >
> > So I guess we agree to disagree.
> >
>
>
>  Douglas Barbour
>  [log in to unmask]
>
>  http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/
>
>  Latest books:
>  Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
>  http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664
>  Wednesdays'
>
> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
>
>  to rid me of
>  the ugh in
>  thought
>  i spell anew
>  weave the world
>  out of the or
>  binary
>
>         bpNichol
>



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