Roger et. al.
Fascinating discussion. Roger, will this -- i.e., the notion of a hybrid
system evolving toward open source -- be a discussion topic at the NEOLEO
conference in Santa Fe next year? It seems crucial to the future of Leonardo as a
journal and an institution.
Perhaps Leonardo can develop a pioneering model that other academic journals
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In a message dated 4/29/2008 6:50:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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Yes Leonardo journals are under the MIT Press system ( I wish they
were a multinational, might solve our budget deficit and allow us to
pay authors and reviewers !!) and authors retain rights to their own texts
with some lexibility as long as we can archive the texts and disseminate
them in the systems that MIT Press has set up.
We have managed with MIT press to make sure that all 40 years
and 6000 articles of leonardo are now available on line= but this
access is tied to institutions and individuals that have subscriptions
( for individuals a subscription is the cost of two good bottles of wine
a year). Most authors also put their articles openly available on their
own web sites.
We havent figured out how to migrate to a sustainable model
that is not subscription based. Ironically the thing we do now that
sells the best is books !!!!
One experiment we are trying is Leonardo Transactions= Editor in
Chief Ernest Edmonds. Leonardo Transactions will soon have an
"open " pre print server when all texts submitted to Leonardo Transactions
are immediately available for free on the pre print server. The model
here is what happens in my field of astronomy where all researchers
deposit their texts into the astro-ph open system while their texts
go through review into the archival journals.
For what its worth nothing is for free on the internet. Someone is paying
for the internet infrastructure and operating costs, and the time of people
to keep the system up and running. The model transfers these costs in
different ways to different users than in the old subscription publication
models, and tax monies are involved in funding a lot of r and d. ( I work
in a french government lab and the french tax payer is paying to keep
the system running; private individuals pay individually for keeping a
system going in their home )
We clearly are evolving to a different system where indeed every author
should have all their texts on their own web site or deposited anywhere
they can without direct cost to themselves. The problem then for the author
is how to get people to read their texts, and get people to pay attention
to what they are doing. Clearly the interesting work is rarely appearing
in the top 10,000 clips on u tube !! New kinds of tools for this are
proliferating (one forgets that it took decades if not centuries after the
print for the systems of books, journal and associated IP to develop; it will
presumably take decades after the invention of the internet before semi
stable formats and functional IP systems are developed to be consistent with
the new situation; The index at the back of a book took for ever to be
What a system like Leonardo does at the moment is help bring attention to
the work of people who choose to publish in our books our journals or web
( over 100,000 article downloads a year). So the authors who give some kind
of rights to Leonardo/MIT Press as part of the current business model ensure
that their texts are archived indefinitely in the scholarly on line
that their texts get some attention from an intellectual community
to the extent the Leonardo system attracts readers focused on the
I guess the open/closed discussion always reminds me that none of the
approaches we are discussing are in extreme situations and we are in a
that is evolving
Just a note to say that I had an article published in Leonardo where they
were prepared to accept a non-exclusive license agreement to publish, rather
than transfer of copyright. My experience is that many journals owned by the
multinationals will do this if you agitate hard enough for it. The article
also appears for free on my website, and has been republished in a book.
Of course, access to knowledge is a critical issue, but I think there are a
lot of different types of publishing economies out there, and many of us
participate in them in different ways at different times. The "old"
copyright regime still drives the publishing industry and will for a while
On 29/04/2008, at 7:28 PM, Armin Medosch wrote:
the problem is, I can never submit a paper to anything done by Leonardo
because they adhere to the old copyright regime. I have made a decision,
that everything i write is published freely and should be available on
the internet without charge. now has this anything to do with FOSS?
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