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Re: Header data

From:

Emily T Stoneham <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

FSL - FMRIB's Software Library <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:51:17 -0400

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text/plain (319 lines) , estoneha.vcf (9 lines)

Hi, 

  Here it is:

Thanks! 
Emily

filename       7_ep2d_pace_moco_3DFilter_20080107_0001.nii

sizeof_hdr     348
data_type      INT16
dim0           3
dim1           64
dim2           64
dim3           48
dim4           1
dim5           1
dim6           1
dim7           1
vox_units      mm
time_units     Unknown
datatype       4
nbyper         2
bitpix         16
pixdim0        0.0000000000
pixdim1        3.0000000000
pixdim2        3.0000000000
pixdim3        3.1799850464
pixdim4        0.0000000000
pixdim5        0.0000000000
pixdim6        0.0000000000
pixdim7        0.0000000000
vox_offset     352
cal_max        0.0000
cal_min        0.0000
scl_slope      1.000000
scl_inter      0.000000
phase_dim      2
freq_dim       1
slice_dim      3
slice_name     alternating_increasing
slice_code     3
slice_start    0
slice_end      47
slice_duration 0.040000
time_offset    0.000000
intent         Unknown
intent_code    0
intent_name    
intent_p1      0.000000
intent_p2      0.000000
intent_p3      0.000000
qform_name     Scanner Anat
qform_code     1
qto_xyz:1      -3.000000  0.000000  -0.000000  101.060242
qto_xyz:2      0.000000  2.987657  -0.288172  -96.445969
qto_xyz:3      0.000000  0.271861  3.166901  -75.362930
qto_xyz:4      0.000000  0.000000  0.000000  1.000000
qform_xorient  Right-to-Left
qform_yorient  Posterior-to-Anterior
qform_zorient  Inferior-to-Superior
sform_name     Unknown
sform_code     0
sto_xyz:1      0.000000  0.000000  0.000000  0.000000
sto_xyz:2      0.000000  0.000000  0.000000  0.000000
sto_xyz:3      0.000000  0.000000  0.000000  0.000000
sto_xyz:4      0.000000  0.000000  0.000000  0.000000
sform_xorient  Unknown
sform_yorient  Unknown
sform_zorient  Unknown
file_type      NIFTI-1+
file_code      1
descrip        ep2d_pace_moco_3DFilter
aux_file       


----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jenkinson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:30 pm
Subject: Re: [FSL] Header data

> Hi,
> 
> I need the output from fslhd on both of the images to see what has  
> happened.
> I suspect that you have sform_code=0 and qform_code=1 before you do 
> theswap, but I really want to check.  Can you please send me the 
> fslhd from
> both images?
> 
> All the best,
> 	Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On 23 Apr 2008, at 16:21, Emily T Stoneham wrote:
> 
> > Mark,
> >
> > Before the image was swapped, I converted the DICOM in MRIconvert 
> to  
> > FSL NIFTI format.  Beyond that, the only processing done at this  
> > point is the swapping of the sagittal image.  Here is the output  
> > from fslhd on one of the swapped images (below).
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Emily
> >
> > Byte swapping
> > filename       
> swapped_7_ep2d_pace_moco_3DFilter_20080107_0001.nii.gz>
> > sizeof_hdr     348
> > data_type      INT16
> > dim0           3
> > dim1           64
> > dim2           64
> > dim3           48
> > dim4           1
> > dim5           1
> > dim6           1
> > dim7           1
> > vox_units      mm
> > time_units     s
> > datatype       4
> > nbyper         2
> > bitpix         16
> > pixdim0        0.0000000000
> > pixdim1        3.0000000000
> > pixdim2        3.0000000000
> > pixdim3        3.1799850464
> > pixdim4        0.0000000000
> > pixdim5        0.0000000000
> > pixdim6        0.0000000000
> > pixdim7        0.0000000000
> > vox_offset     352
> > cal_max        0.0000
> > cal_min        0.0000
> > scl_slope      1.000000
> > scl_inter      0.000000
> > phase_dim      2
> > freq_dim       1
> > slice_dim      3
> > slice_name     alternating_increasing
> > slice_code     3
> > slice_start    0
> > slice_end      47
> > slice_duration 0.040000
> > time_offset    0.000000
> > intent         Unknown
> > intent_code    0
> > intent_name
> > intent_p1      0.000000
> > intent_p2      0.000000
> > intent_p3      0.000000
> > qform_name     Scanner Anat
> > qform_code     1
> > qto_xyz:1      3.000000  -0.000000  -0.000000  -87.939758
> > qto_xyz:2      0.000000  2.987657  0.288172  -109.990044
> > qto_xyz:3      0.000000  0.271861  -3.166901  73.481400
> > qto_xyz:4      0.000000  0.000000  0.000000  1.000000
> > qform_xorient  Left-to-Right
> > qform_yorient  Posterior-to-Anterior
> > qform_zorient  Superior-to-Inferior
> > sform_name     Scanner Anat
> > sform_code     1
> > sto_xyz:1      3.000000  0.000000  0.000000  -87.939758
> > sto_xyz:2      0.000000  2.987657  0.288172  -109.990044
> > sto_xyz:3      0.000000  0.271861  -3.166901  73.481400
> > sto_xyz:4      0.000000  0.000000  0.000000  1.000000
> > sform_xorient  Left-to-Right
> > sform_yorient  Posterior-to-Anterior
> > sform_zorient  Superior-to-Inferior
> > file_type      NIFTI-1+
> > file_code      1
> > descrip        FSL4.0
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mark Jenkinson <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:02 am
> > Subject: Re: [FSL] Header data
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> If you have swapped LR and SI dimensions then FSLView will show
> >> the axial slices with the left (L) on the left - this is normal.
> >> Re-orienting
> >> to match that of the standard brain is a good idea in this case 
> as it
> >> preserves your left-right labelling correctly (-x y -z is fine for
> >> this) and
> >> should keep all the other labels attached to the correct anatomy.
> >>
> >> So I would recommend using this fslswapdim command in general.
> >>
> >> However, the sform outputs are a bit puzzling.  Are you sure that
> >> all you did was apply fslswapdim to
> >> 7_ep2d_pace_moco_3DFilter_20080107_0085.nii
> >> which gave you  
> >> swapped_7_ep2d_pace_moco_3DFilter_20080107_0085.nii.gz?
> >> It is doing what I'd expect in x and z, but not in y.  It seems to
> >> be
> >> creating an
> >> arbitrary coordinate offset there which I don't normally see.  This
> >> isn'tnecessary a problem, it just creates slightly strange
> >> coordinates.  Can
> >> you send me the output of fslhd run on these images (and let me
> >> know if
> >> any other processing went on)?
> >>
> >> On a separate note, it sounds like you are worried about the mm
> >> coordinates.  These will not be in standard space if you look at 
> the>> first-level outputs.  Only the higher-level FEAT outputs are in
> >> standardspace.  If you want to see your first-level outputs in
> >> standard space, then
> >> I recommend using Renderhighres to resample your first-level FEAT
> >> output into standard space, where you will see the usual standard
> >> space coordinates (with negative mm ones).
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>   Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> Emily T Stoneham wrote:
> >>> Hello-
> >>> When I pull up the FSLView image, it shows L on the Left of the
> >> image.
> >>> However, I must caveat this: Our scaner flips the Sagittal and
> >> the Coronal functionals (the structurals are fine though).  When I
> >> fix this, that is when I see the change in L R labels in FSL View.
> >> The Standard Image from the subject looks fine in FSLView (R on
> >> left, L on right side of image). I fixd the sagittal and coronal
> >> image by doing this:
> >>> for fn in *.nii ; do fslswapdim $fn -x y -z swapped_$fn ; done
> >>> (I have 290 images that need to be swapped, this fixes them all
> >> at once)
> >>>
> >>> The original reason I am trying to straighten this out is that
> >> when I am viewing the FEAT data, the voxel and mm data in FSLView
> >> is WAY off what it should be.  For instance, it will tell me that
> >> something clearly in the parietal lobe is actually in the
> >> cerebellum.  It is as if FSL view doesn't recognize negative values
> >> (I never see any except in the mm section, although these aren't
> >> right either), and so I figured it was something I did in the
> >> inital stages.  While trying to figure it out- I noticed the
> >> difference in the labelling in FSLView and began to tackle that
> >> first off.
> >>>
> >>> Here is the output I got from one image before I swapped it:
> >>> Command: fslorient -getsform
> >> 7_ep2d_pace_moco_3DFilter_20080107_0085.nii> Output:  -3 0 0 0 0 3
> >> 0 0 0 0 3.17999 0 0 0 0 1
> >>>
> >>> Here is the output I got from one image after I swapped it:
> >>> Command: fslorient -getsform
> >> swapped_7_ep2d_pace_moco_3DFilter_20080107_0085.nii.gz> Output:  
> 3
> >> 0 0 -87.9398 0 2.98766 0.288172 -109.99 0 0.271861 -3.1669 73.4814
> >> 0 0 0 1
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Emily
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   Mark Jenkinson wrote:
> >>>    Hi,
> >>>
> >>>    How are you determining that the displayed orientation is
> >>>    neurological?
> >>>    Are the labels right?  That is the most crucial thing.  The
> >> terms>     neurological
> >>>    and radiological for display get a bit confusing when the
> >> brain is
> >>>    not in the
> >>>    same orientation as the standard brain.
> >>>
> >>>    If the labels are correct (including left and right) then *do
> >> not*>     do a fslswapdim
> >>>    as that will muck the labels up.  I would also avoid using
> >>>    fslorient to change
> >>>    things unless you know the labels are wrong.
> >>>
> >>>    Can you explain more about what you see in FSLView, what you
> >>>    expect to see, and
> >>>    what the labels are like?  Don't worry about the sform values
> >> for>     now, although it would
> >>>    be helpful to send us the output of fslhd.
> >>>
> >>>    All the best,
> >>>        Mark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    On 22 Apr 2008, at 19:25, Emily Stoneham wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>    Hello all,
> >>>>      I have performed an fslorient -getorient, and it tells me
> >> it is
> >>>>    RADIOLOGICAL, however, when viewed
> >>>>    in FSLView, it shows it in Neurological orientation.  If I run
> >>>>    fslswapdim, I can change that (albeit I get
> >>>>    a warning), but I suspect I should be using fslorient to do
> >> that>>     instead- (i.e., change the header)?
> >>>>    When I run fslorient -getsform, I get a string of numbers,
> >> but I
> >>>>    don't know what they mean, or
> >>>>    how/if I should change one or more (and which) of them.  Can
> >> you>>     help?
> >>>>
> >>>>    Thanks,
> >>>>    Emily
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> > <estoneha.vcf>
> 

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