Hello Patsy
Brief response but the situation you describe is not unfamiliar and was
precisely what happened to my mother-in-law although in her case it
meant her moving, the sad thing was that she never worked out where
anything was in the new "home". The staff were unhappy when she did not
conform to their idea of behaviour ie that you get up at a certain time
and had to be persuaded, by us, that it was appropriate to leave her if
that was what she wanted. Not something that I look forward to at all.
Helene
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From: Discussion of mature learning for leisure, health, or work
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Sent: 16 January 2008 15:43
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Institute of Gerontology David Hobman Memorial Lecture 28
Jan 08 6pm
The list seems very quiet so thought I would send a reply in terms of
what I learnt this weekend listening to others at the IOE course on
'Mature Learning'.
In terms of 'control' - though that word was not used - there WAS
reference to a stage when a person may no longer able to manage and
'hold things together' to the extent that perhaps they can no longer
live alone either because it would not be safe for them or they would
not be able to go about everyday life without considerable support. My
own mother still lives independently by (explicit) choice despite some
so-called 'dementia' and short episodes when she cannot manage and needs
at those times quite considerable ongoing support until the episode
passes and she is able to be more independent again.
Who determines when we reach the stage of given up that type of
independence? THAT is the question. In my mother's situation she lives
in an apartment building managed by an organisation that is focused on
the elderly. If they feel that a person can no longer live
independently they may unilaterally decide they must be moved into a
so-called 'frail care' option and seem not to have the resources to
facilitate that the person be supported to stay where they are. To some
extent we manage to play down the episodes experienced by my mother as
we are sure the organisation would be too quick to want to 'move' her to
the next level of dependency whereas we and my mother would prefer for
her to decide what suits her over time. (This is not in the UK by the
way but in Southern Africa where aspects of the context are not the same
as in the UK).
kind regards
--p@ c
Patsy Clarke
> I was interested to note Iain's comments about being in control of
> your life. Could you define 'control' for me please? And at what age
> and stage do we lose control and who determines that we have done so?
> You obviously have an alert mind and a ready wit; others, even younger
> than you, are not so blessed.
>
> I am 49 - not yet 'mature' according to the gerontology course - but a
> learner nevertheless.
>
> Regards
> Jacqui Burne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Iain Wyder
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Institute of Gerontology David Hobman Memorial Lecture
> 28 Jan 08 6pm
>
>
> Dear Anita,
>
> As I approach my seventy fourth birthday my comment is only that
> each should follow his or her own path on the journey of life. What
> gives me satisfaction and happiness may not be clear to others. What
> is important is I am fortunate in being in contol of my life. When
> that day comes that I no longer have that control, as it surely will,
> I really don't wish to be around. It will be time to turn off the
> light.
>
> Best regards and success to the new program.
>
> Iain
>
> Iain Wyder
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>
>
>
>
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> From: Discussion of mature learning for leisure, health, or work
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anita Pincas
> Sent: December 20, 2007 21:50
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: FW: Institute of Gerontology David Hobman Memorial Lecture
> 28 Jan 08 6pm
>
>
> Hello, things have been quiet here for a while.
>
> Perhaps the thought of retirement will enliven us?
>
> Also, I am pleased to say that the new course has recruited quite
> well, and is definitely up and running from January 13 next.
>
> Best wishes to all,
> Anita
>
>
>
> The Institute of Gerontology, King's College London has pleasure
in
> inviting you to the Annual David Hobman Memorial Lecture.
> The speaker will be Harry R Moody, Director of Academic Affairs,
> American Association of Retired Persons.
>
> Title: Leaving a Legacy: Our obligation to future generations
>
> Date: Monday, 28th January 2008 Time: 6.00pm
> Place: The Great Hall, King's College London, Strand, WC2 Tea will
be
> served from 5.30pm in Main Entrance Hall Wine Reception after the
> lecture
>
> Please let us know if you plan to attend by emailing us at
> [log in to unmask]
> Anita Pincas, Senior Lecturer,
> Department of Continuing and Professional Education
> Institute of Education,
> Room 707, 20 Bedford Way
> University of London
> London WC1H 0AL
> Tel Office +44 0207 612 6522 / Home +44 0207 286 5324
> Personal Web page < http://www.ioe.ac.uk/english/Apincas.htm >
>
> COURSES:
>
> Issues in Educating and Training Mature Adults (50+)
> www.ioe.ac.uk/courses/ ietma
>
>
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